Designated Girl Fights

I meant if one is trying to aver the something wrong with male on female violence mentality, wouldn't it make more sense to portray the fight as not misogynistic?

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...

I would, but I'm not him.

It has to do with the context, and there are more than many good women in the book, the female character in question who gets kicked when on teh ground is supposed to be a symbol of everything I hate about certain women in my life. thats how it is. i just have teh self awareness to admit that there are some women i really hate yet am sexually attracted to.

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly

...oh...kay...then.

I don't think that type of symbolism is a good idea. It's all...strawmanny.

edited 27th Oct '11 5:20:12 PM by MrAHR

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It gets a little iffy here. Are you projecting that hate just onto these characters (for themselves), or are you implying some association with women in general?

edited 27th Oct '11 5:24:31 PM by QQQQQ

I'm projecting hate against the girls who rejected me cause i was "too weird" and not good enough for them into this one character.

one girl once said she liked me in highschool, and everyone kind of.. made fun of her. its like a girl is ashamed of liking me because im a black sheep.

keep in mind when i planned the scene i was still in high school. i might take out the misgnostic parts and other ones as well. infact, the whole character most likely and make another dude fit teh plot role in terms of the mid-story kidnapping of Jason (main character), because the more and more I think about it the potential plot tumors are not worth it.

edited 27th Oct '11 5:28:35 PM by jasonwill2

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly

I was also rejected like that - but it has nothing to do with their gender. In high school, people can be general dicks (regardless whether they're mengs or chicos) because the society there is hypersensitive. So do take a little care here.

edited 27th Oct '11 5:40:33 PM by QQQQQ

well i said i was most likely taking out the character all together. i know a male who will fit the place much better in terms of the plot making sense

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly

Just try not to come off like Christian Weston Chandler, okay?

(Perhaps that was going too far, but writing people you dislike into fiction is almost always a bad idea.)

Edit: I just used Chandler because he's the most famous example of it (since examples of it don't usually get printed by mainstream publishers.) It's the action that makes the person creepy, not the other way around, and it's just as creepy when it's done by nameless fanfic writers.

edited 27th Oct '11 7:25:17 PM by feotakahari

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful

^ Don't go there please. (I personally find it unnerving when you outright use a person as a benchmark for acceptance. The notoriety and the fact "Everyone accepts it" doesn't excuse anything. Rat-race mentality.) Likewise, you shouldn't use fiction for taking revenge upon those you know, as tempting as it might seem.

You can though, derive some inspiration from your experiences; from loneliness and rejection, you have a silver lining with conveying a sense of alienation for example. As long as you're not hurting anyone.

edited 27th Oct '11 9:11:14 PM by QQQQQ

well ive thought better of it with that scene, it makes the plot to messy anyway

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly

On the subject of projecting personal dislikes into fiction: I actually like the idea of giving personal grudges (not so much against people as things or ideas), turned Up To Eleven, to my villains. It's a good way of combining Write What You Know with one of my favorite themes: the difference between "bad/obnoxious/disliked" things and genuine evil.

It's a bit tricky in practice, so I've never actually done it, but it's an idea I intend to play with sometime

You mean like a bad guy who has beef with tsunderes or something along those lines?

One Strip! One Strip!

If

I had a problem with tsunderes, yes, that could be an example.

offtopic:

im sorry but the Doctor Who avatar is really distracting because it's just that awesome.

that is my favorite doctor.

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly

Girls beating up girls, guys beating up girls — it's all the same to me because, in fiction, you can do things that may be looked down upon in real life. If it comes off misogynistic... well, that's one interpretation. Another person might think the girl fight didn't go far enough. Personally, I use girl fights in my works.

I'm not going to not do something in my work just because somebody else thinks it's a weird fetish or they just plain don't like it. I'm not writing a girl fight because it's my fetish or just to spite people who don't like it. I write girl fights because that's where the plot ends up. Am I just supposed to avoid a violent confrontation with women just because they're women? That seems patronizing to women to me. A DGF may seem cliche but if it happens, it happens if that's how I want it to happen.

edited 27th Oct '11 10:08:42 PM by PancakeMckennz

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edit; probably shoudlnt of said that, it sounded dumb. post removed

edited 27th Oct '11 10:20:20 PM by jasonwill2

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly

@Jason-yup I haven't even watched that show yet but damn, he's hot.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

I haven't really used a designated girl fight in any of stories simply due to the fact that most of my stories have more than three female characters. Meaning that even if a girl was to fight another girl, it really isn't anything special. There was one time, though, where I DID play with the trope: one of my stories had two rival teams, both of which had only a single female combatant. The thing here is that the girl on the bad guys' side far outmatched the girl on the good guys' side. Since the leader of the good guys had a policy of not harming women he refused to fight the bad girl even though he was the only one capable of taking her on. This lead to the good girl being nearly beaten to death by the bad girl. She would have died if her teammates hadn't pulled her out at the last minute.

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lol faux action girl

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly

@Pancake: Again, it should be emphasized that Designated Girl Fight, the trope, is not the same thing as simply a "girl fight" as in two female characters fighting. There's more to it then that.

nvr mind again... lol

edited 30th Oct '11 2:52:49 AM by jasonwill2

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly

In the context of my last example the girl was never an Action Girl, she was just brought along by the heroes as "moral support". She knew that she would only hamper down the group and tried everything she could do to not go with them but they forced her to come along. Even when the villains captured her she tried to convince her group to continue with their mission and ignore her, yet they still came to her aid. It reached a breaking point when she finally called the hero out on this behavior and asked him why they kept coming for her. He answered that "He didn't want to see her get hurt". To which she took his gun, shot herself in the foot, and told him that he could have accomplished that if they had just left her behind. And when she was captured in the final confrontation with the villains she threatened to throw herself into a dragon's mouth if the heroes even DARED to try and save her rather than stop the villains. In the end, she did kill herself which forced the hero to focus on his mission.

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It's just occurred to me that I did end up with a catfight once, but that was because both people involved were highly incompetent by the standards of the story. Everyone who saw it thought it was absurd.

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