Image does not illustrate trope: What Do You Mean Its For Kids

This image doesn't work at all for this trope.

The image is "Sesame Street only everyone is angry and has knifes, guns, etc"

That isn't that trope. The trope is "Kids shows that people think isn't for kids."

I'd suggest... really any relatively violent shot of something from a kids show, and then the caption under it saying "Kid's show." or something along those lines.

^ It doesn't have to be violent. The trope is "A kids' show that attracts a periphery demographic that tries to argue that it's not really a kids' show at all."

The examples need a through cleanup — many of them are really either Animation Age Ghetto (It's animated, therefore it must be for kids) or What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? (a work is commonly mistaken as being for kids even when it is not.)

But I completely agree that the page image is bad.

Something from My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic might work well, here, considering the huge Periphery Demographic it has, and the lengths members of that demographic will go to to justify their fandom of what is clearly a children's cartoon

edited 14th Oct '11 3:26:06 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

So we'd go with a group shot of the ponies doing something adorable with a caption of something like "Clearly aimed at 18-45 year old men" or something?

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Maybe add that with pictures of Bronies cosplayers....yes...they exist

If you're gonna do a MLP pic you'll have to somehow show that adults also like it otherwise it's just gonna be JAFAAC

I was thinking more something like a pic from MLPFIM and a caption quoting one of the many blogs posts explaining how it's a deep metaphor for life or something like that.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Can we get a still from the video for "Can't Be Tamed"? That would work perfectly.

Peace is the only battle worth waging.

I suggest a bloody image from Watership Down, with the caption "Doesn't look like a bedtime story to me."

Every Saturday night at midnight, Adult Swim's bringing you Toonami, with Samurai 7, Tenchi Muyo! GXP, Bleach and more. Watch it.

Wrong trope. This is for stuff that is for kids, not isn't for kids.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

It is for kids, considering it's rated 'U' in the UK and only PG in the US, and the creator originally intended it as a bedtime story.

Every Saturday night at midnight, Adult Swim's bringing you Toonami, with Samurai 7, Tenchi Muyo! GXP, Bleach and more. Watch it.

If we're going to go the Pony route, please don't do the "aimed at older men" joke? Plenty of women are in the older demographic and it's tiring.

I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.

There really do seem to be aspects of that show intended to appeal to males, though. Spike is in a girls' social circle, sometimes gets a fair bit of attention from them (early in Owl's Well That Ends Well for example) and is interested in being more than friends with one of them.

I think the reason people focus on the gender aspect of the periphery demographic is because the age aspect is already plentiful elsewhere. (See also Disney movies, especially Pixar ones.)

EDITED IN: Speaking of Disney movies, since the laconic states "works are marketed to children despite containing questionable content" perhaps a Disney example would be more fitting. The darkest MLP:FIM has gotten is Return Of Harmony, where a draconequus comes into a social circle to foster distrust among them. The Darker and Edgier of Disney or Pixar movies have gone much further than that.

edited 16th Oct '11 4:40:52 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

Can't it just be that he's friends with girls and has a crush on one of them? I doubt the show would be so stereotypical as to think "oh hey, some guys are obsessed about being in the friend zone, let's make the baby dragon like that".

But that's beside the point.

I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.

That's not quite what I meant. I meant that even if he is "friendzoned" by one of them (who may or may not be aware of his feelings for her, and he has made clear that he doesn't want her to be) he still obviously enjoys even the non-romantic attention he gets from them from time to time.

Besides, if gender discrepancy in the Internet about who complains about being friendzoned is to go by, there's got to be at least some truth to that stereotype... and even if it's wrong, popular opinion agrees with it enough that at least it's not a Family-Unfriendly Aesop.

edited 16th Oct '11 2:58:10 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

Yes, please do not exclude the female fans. Spike is NOT a brony shoutout, but rather a character taken from the older generation of the show. Of course, I just get twitchy when male fans try to claim the whole show for themselves. If we're going with Disney movies I'd suggest Hunchback, although I can't think of a frame that shows it being "bad". Or maybe the nightmare tunnel scene in that Willy Wonka movie.

edited 16th Oct '11 3:52:11 PM by boobustuber

My argument isn't even so much of him being a brony shoutout (he's a young boy, after all, not a grown man) as of the attention he occasionally gets from the girls he hangs out with being one apparent example of trying to appeal to male viewers in ways that female viewers wouldn't tend to mind... well, at least not much.

Speaking of which, we know it's targeted at young girls, and that grown men and women like it, but would anyone know how popular MLP:FIM is among young boys?

EDITED IN: As for Disney movies, look at the animated film section of Darker and Edgier; good potential candidates include:

• Toy Story 3
• The Incredibles
• The Black Cauldron
• The Hunchback Of Notre Dame
• The Lion King (and its sequel)

Outside that list, I'd also suggest Oliver And Company, which despite involving cute characters like cats and dogs also deals with a lot of dark themes.

edited 16th Oct '11 5:20:25 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

Would older films count? Pinocchio and the like. The trouble is that that was before movies got pigeonholed into age sections all the time.

Yes, Pinnochio would count too. It's also pretty dark, even if it didn't have as much shock value in the 40s as Hunchback did in the 90s...

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

Maybe this although I don't know if it's creepy or weird enough http://thepowerpuffgirls.tumblr.com/post/2769755451

It's not "is darker and edgier". Will you people please read the page definition, not just the examples? Many of the examples are simply flat-out wrong. This trope is:

• Is a work that is actually aimed at children
• That gains a substantial Periphery Demographic
• And that demographic puts considerable effort into justifying their fandom by asserting that it's much more than just a kids' show.

The Disney animated canon doesn't fit because it doesn't meet the second and third criteria.

edited 16th Oct '11 9:59:12 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Yes it does. It totally does. Fit the second criterion. The third, on the other hand... it's more like people want to distance themselves from Disney by pointing out all of the downright evil ideology infused and implied into many of the films.

A case of true love has the same redeeming power as a case of genuine curiosity: they are the same.

Does it have to be most of that demographic, or just many of them? Many Pixar fans argue their movies to be political allegories; A Bugs Life comes to mind.

That said, if that is what the trope is about, then the laconic needs fixing.

edited 17th Oct '11 1:37:32 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

I don't like the ponies. I just can't picture any way to convey any adult appeal without beng JAFAAC. Plus, this is just a personal gripe, but just looking at them gives me diabetes.

Maybe an image of some of one of the more esoteric Animaniacs or Sesame Street parodies?

First off we need official confirmation on what this trope is about before deciding on how to picture it.

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

And Madrugada did just that in a previous post.

I just can't see how the ponies will work without being JAFAAC.

edited 18th Oct '11 4:16:25 PM by redhed311