Example cleaning / sorting: Hundred Percent Completion

Right now, the examples section, comprised as it is of one long Video Games section is one big chaotic mess and it's impossible to find anything specific without some effort.

Since this trope is (largely?) video game specific, I think sorting the examples by video game genre would work best (see, for example, RPG Elements for a page which has done this).

Given how much of an Omnipresent Trope this has become, I'm not convinced there's a point to having examples here.

(edit) aside from that, some of the examples belong under Bragging Rights Award or Self-Imposed Challenge instead (e.g. Net Hack, where "100%" is defined as "have the score counter roll over MAXINT").

edited 10th Oct '11 10:59:26 AM by Spark9

I think that it's not as Omni Present as you seem to think it is especially with so many games like The Sims, or Oblivion that are so open ended. There is no reason to cut examples. This certainly isn't the largest example page we have and it very much lacks more than a fraction of the games we trope. I think we can just sort it.

Very much agree. A lot of games dont actually have a 100% Completion meter or a reward for said thing.

Some games like Persona 3 got rereleased with a reward where one didn't exist before.

Hell only Final Fantasy X 2 was the first Final Fantasy game to have this (the FFV one is very very borderline and the Final Fantasy IX is misuse I think.)

Now with X Box cheesements and such it might becoming common but its not there yet.

Just sort by Game genre then non-video games at the bottom IMO.

edited 10th Oct '11 11:39:52 PM by Raso

Add in the fact that it's a fairly new concept as far as gaming goes and that there are entire genres that don't use it. Sim Games, FPS, Strategy, things like Tetris and other little quirky puzzle games. It's just not there in a large chunk of games.

Do we have a trope for Achievements yet?

Cosmetic Award

Sounds like we need to YKTTW that subtrope then.

What subtrope?

I think this page mixes up several concepts,

• Games with a "% completion" counter (regardless of whether it goes to exactly 100%). Examples thereof tend to overlap with Last Lousy Point.

• Games with one or more major sidequest like "collecting all the 50 trinkets" that has no real bearing on the completion of the game, but is a form of artificially increased playtime. These are almost always a Cosmetic Award or Bragging Rights Award.

• Achievements / Medals, which tend to be random tasks unrelated to one another, which again tend to have no bearing on actual completion of the game. These are almost without exception Cosmetic Award.

• Self-Imposed Challenge, when the game itself makes no mention of the "100%" task you're supposed to be doing. Actually I think all Self-Imposed Challenge examples don't belong on this page.

So a soft split would also be a good way of organizing this.

^ Only the first of those bullets is what I think of when I think of this trope. The others are all tropable, but not this trope.

edited 11th Oct '11 4:21:04 PM by shimaspawn

Hard split would also work. The examples for #3 and #4 should go under the existing tropes Cosmetic Award and Self-Imposed Challenge, respectively, instead of here. I'm not sure if we already have a trope page for #2.

agree there somewhat, 2 and 3 can be used for bullet 1 though especially if there is a "get all the other achievements" achievement. Although 2 can have scaling rewards on how many you find and the last one is this I think.

edited 11th Oct '11 4:41:24 PM by Raso

2 & 3 can contribute to 1, yes, but without 1 it's not this trope. Just because a trope can use another trope doesn't mean that it is that trope.

We do, it's Collection Sidequest.

The way I see it, Achievements in general aren't 100% Completion, but a specific "completed everything" Achievement could be.

Ok, so we have all the tropes we need, we just need to clean up this page and sort them into the right tropes. Then list the common ways of filling the completion meter with links to those trope saying that if they're just examples of those things without the trope, post them there.

If this trope is meant to be a game completion meter (regardless of what its maximum value is) then I think the title should reflect that.

The name a) does reflect that because you can't really call it 100% done if you have nothing to measure it against and b) the meter itself isn't the trope so much as all the things you need to do to fill it up.

Considering the number of games that have over 100% in their percent bar, in addition to splitting games by genre, we might also want to add a section for "Games with more than 100%."

Unless we just want to make that a different trope. Like "Game Designers Fail Fractions Forever" or something.

I think the issue of games crawling over 100% is actually some variety of Rank Inflation (just as ranks suddenly needed to surpass A+, percentages had to climb above 100%). If it doesn't fall under Rank Inflation, at the very least it's a sister trope.

Regardless of the Rank Inflation, if there's an absolute maximum you can get, it counts, whether they label it 100%, 125%, "S", or just 10000/10000 possible points. The point is that there must be a counter somewhere.

edited 31st Oct '11 9:18:37 AM by Fighteer

Yes, it doesn't matter what the counter is. There are some games where it's just collect all of x, y and z. But there needs to be some finite count displayed for you.

So, I think all that's left here is page clean up. I could use some help. I don't know all the examples.

Well we could alphabetize the examples, since that's now a suggested standard (just can't remember which thread brought it up).

I don't think that should be our focus right now. Our first job is to cut things that aren't 100% completion and are instead one of the other tropes like Self-Imposed Challenge, Collection Side Quest, or Cosmetic Award.