Avatar 2

Impalement from a poison tipped carbon fiber shaft did not kill Quaritch because he had built up an immunity. He was instead rushed back to Earth for medical treatment.

E'wa purposefully cause a schism between the humans and the Navi in order to have an excuse to harvest the biological material and raw ores brought by the aliens while still appearing as a benevolent god. It does not really care about the loss of its own lifeforms since it can resurrect them indefinitely so long as the material that makes them up remains on Pandora. It refused to bring back Ellen Ripley because she has neither the stupidity of Jake Sully nor the conditioned faith of the natives.

E'wa is not a god in the metaphysical sense but an extremely long lived super powerful planet wide organism. Jake Sully was mistaken in his belief than humanity could ever kill something like, not when they did not even know when it was there at least. The Avatar sequels set on Earth will be about Quaritch's (somewhat noble struggle to put down Earth's E'wa equivalent after the experience on Pandora allows human scientists to discover it was right there all along and is anything but benevolent.

Sequels set on Pandora will be more lighthearted, focusing on flora, fauna, geography and the fact its is a harsh death world.

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Built up an immunity to the poison or the carbon fiber shaft? Because I really like the idea that Quaritch is just so much of a badass that he built up an immunity to impalement.

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We already saw that he's fireproof and doesn't need to breath. Maybe he's a like a Terminator, and you have to destroy his body entirely to put him down for good.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

Oh, if there ever was a Misaimed Fandom...

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Yeah can you believe people side with those stupid blue cat things?

edited 23rd Oct '13 3:21:21 PM by Canid117

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins

I know, right? Fucking aboriginal savages getting in the way of my awesomecool marines hut hut hut who were just trying to serve their corporate masters and murder for great profitsave humanity somehow (by shooting aliens on their homeworld before they got to Earth you godless hippy!!!).

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.

They were trying to bring shower technology to the depressed natives.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins

...What is it with you people and your sarcastic mock talk?

Same as usual.... Wing it.

Not a lot of Na'Vi fans on TV Tropes.

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They hate how he keeps yelling to "Hey! Listen!".

I really didn't have a lot of problems with the Na'vi per se. Most of my problems were with Jake "Screw my mission to prevent genocide, I'm too busy banging my hot alien girlfriend" Sully.

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I just didn't like how simplemindedly the movie portrayed the whole thing. The movie asks you to take everything seriously but has the maturity of a bad children's flick. Not to mention how it was way too damn long and just boring from start to finish.

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^ Hey now Pocahontas wasn't "bad" just "okay"

edited 27th Oct '13 12:49:00 AM by SuperSoaker

The only major difference between Pocahontas and Avatar (setting aside) is that Pocahontas was fun.

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But seriously Avatar was the epitome of everything wrong with movies today. No creativity, all pretty effects. *Puts on Hipster glasses*

Well, no, there was definitely tons of creativity involved. I just think a lot of it was really misguided.

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Now I can see in this age where every other "hero" is awesome at everything you might want to tone that down a little but this guy was too stupid to be a marine.

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I maintain that 90% of the Misaimed Fandom is the result of Steven Lang actually being awake while acting. I mean Sam Worthington at least has the excuse of being a bad actor, what was Sigourney Weaver's excuse?

I don't ask that Jake Sully be awesome at everything. I ask that he be competent at doing the job he was tasked to perform. Seriously, the guy didn't even try.

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So are we expecting a Red Faction type scenario where earth government's (presumably a US led coalition for extra "Durr look at the metafhers!" value) take over the RDA's space fleet and try to subjugate the planet by force?

I'm fully expecting Avatar 2 to be a ham fisted allegory to the Iraq War.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins

I do not see Avatar's story as particularly blunt, the overall story. Compared with say, District Nine(Roach Khoikhoi to Cat Amerindians). Both are allegories to "white" messes from a white perspective, both star dunces, both turn the dunce into the abused ethnic stand in. What I will give District Nine is that its protagonist was handled better. He was not the cause of all of all resulting problems and he is not portrayed as being nearly as incompetent or sympathetic. He might have a hard job he is not very good at but damn, he seems to have an idea on how to do it. Jake Sully's like a boy in a candy store, with monsters of a death world.

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I think the reason District 9 worked was because the director and creative team knew the subject they were dealing with intimately and so it could remain focused and omnipresent throughout the movie without suffocating the characters or plot. Avatar was an almost phoned in stock green and anti-imperialist aesop coming from a wealthy western director who has lived his entire life in relative comfort and so doesn't have any kind of connection to the message he is trying to convey. So Cameron has no actual idea how to deliver it without suffocating the plot and characters.

edited 27th Oct '13 4:34:12 PM by Canid117

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Hah. "Too stupid to be a marine".

The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.

I feel like there's been a lot of Idiot Heroes these days, and a lot of them have been Marines

They're easy targets with the stereotype about "dumb Marines", even if the ones I've known are some of the smartest fuckers around outside of highly technical fields like physics.

Sully was just a fucking idiot whose Marine-ness (so to speak) was an Informed Attribute.

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