Merge Fan Fic review pages with Fan Fic Recs review pages

I was checking Shinji And Warhammer 40 K, and got confused when I couldn't find the review I wrote. I checked the NGE fic rec page, and discovered that there's a page for reviews straight from the work's trope page, and a page for reviews from the rec page. Is there a way that those pages could be combined, and the same with any fic that's got its own page on the wiki?

edited 3rd Sep '11 1:35:49 AM by Willbyr

I suggest just dropping the review code on recs that have their own page, and a note saying all reviews go via it.

There's no reason to use both reviews namespace, basically.

I'd say merge them. Fan Fic Recs are just... favorite fanfics. I'm not sure why they need an extra review namespace at all.(for the most part, trying to force people to not use the Fanfic Review namespace for Fanfic Recs seems completely unneeded) I get that sake of organization, but unless we have a review index...

Fixed. But I'd appreciate it if you just said what you mean, please.

edited 3rd Sep '11 2:01:21 PM by Hydronix

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You got one thing backwards.

Fanfic Recs orwellianretcon'd: cutlocked for committee or for Google?

The Fan Fic Recs review pages were created as a compromise to get the natter and Conversation On The Main Page about fics off the pages while preserving the comments that actually said something about the fic and weren't just a "yay I liked this fic" or "I hated this one". I just never realized that the reviews from the two separate pages didn't link together until now.

edited 5th Sep '11 8:42:39 AM by Willbyr

I dislike seeing one-line reviews of fanfics reposted in bulk. It feels very wrong for someone to post a review they didn't write, and worse when there's no substance to it.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

Anything particular in mind? I make no apologies for what I chose to preserve or cull during the reformatting of the Eva fic page, it needed to be done. I haven't heard any gripes, but this topic hasn't come up in a while.

Well, like I said, you shouldn't be posting a review on behalf of somebody else. The person posting the review should be the person who wrote the review. And one-line reviews are too short to give any meaningful criticism of the work; I normally flag them because of it. Posting one-line reviews en masse? There's no way that's right.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

Well, unless you can prove that it's somebody else's review, I don't see a point in flagging it.

As for one-line reviews, they're annoying. That's basically just Laconic, and nothing more. But then again, ...I don't think it's against the rules. As long as it's not inaccurate. I'm not saying it's cool to do or anything like that, but other than not liking them, what's the problem?

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A couple days ago, Not JM Keynes posted a long string of short reviews of Total Drama Action fanfics, all titled "<name of troper>'s review" (with different names for each one), most of them all on the same work. This is what I'm talking about: one person porting a whole Fan Fic Recs page into the Reviews section.

edited 6th Sep '11 7:33:18 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."

It seems to me it's being copied for the purpose of it having the same reviews.

Which is a good reason for the merging. Besides naming the original reviewer, which means the reviewer should be flagged...

edited 6th Sep '11 7:35:26 PM by Hydronix

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Troacctid, the choice was between someone other than the writer of the review moving it and it not getting moved at all, just deleted. Where's the problem?

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Those aren't the only options—we can just archive the deleted comments on the discussion page, the same way we already do with stuff like X Just X examples. We can even send a PM to the person who posted them originally; if the original author wants to move them, they can do so.

Like I said, I'm not totally comfortable with one person posting a review on another person's behalf—when you post a review, it should represent your own opinion about the work, not a collection of quotes from other people about what they think. I wouldn't be okay with people copying reviews in from the Media Recommendations forum, or from other review sites, or from Sugar Wiki's gushing pages. And it feels worse without the original poster's knowledge and consent. And reposting the review for them takes away their ability to edit it, too.

edited 6th Sep '11 8:28:44 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."

I get that if they didn't ask permission, there's a problem. But if they got permission, they can also be PM'ed to edit it how the original Author wants it editted.

That's not a problem at all.

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The trouble with porting stuff over, is that even just doing it straight copy/paste it takes about an hour even for a relatively short page. To sort through edit history to try and discover who posted what, and then PM them, would add an age and a half to that. Archiving the comments on discussion page is fiddly as well, since as well as the copy/paste you also have to create an entry on the discussion page for each fic. Feel free to do a few pages though, just to test that out.

I think it would be much better to nuke everything and let the commenter/reviewer repost it themselves if they care to do so. If they are involved in the fandom then it'd come to their attention pretty quick it needs done, if they are a hit and run promoter then there is a message inherent in that all of its own. It'd get it done a lot quicker too. By not doing this we're getting some pages being put up in the new format, some in the old format, people are adding fics using the old format even with a note not to. It's now a right old mess and needs radical action to get it completed.

edited 7th Sep '11 2:47:37 PM by CrypticMirror

Would Fast Eddie be able to dump all reviews in the FanFicRec namespace in the FanFic using any of his godly administrator powers?

You are missing the very important average case though. That someone comes in as a member of the site to recommend a fic doesn't imply that they have the review, or the corresponding pages, in watchlist, and they not doing it doesn't imply they are a "hit and run promoter", meaning that their "involvement in the fandom" simply doesn't translate nicely to their ability to pay attention to a review they already posted.

Fanfic Recs orwellianretcon'd: cutlocked for committee or for Google?

Bump for (hopefully) resolution one way or the other.

As a side request, could the review pages for the non-paged fics be given an option to be added to our watchlists?

I think what would help would be allowing the [[review:]] tag to reference a page in another namespace.

As such, it could work for not only classic fanfics in the Fanfic page, but also peculiar ones like Webcomic.Iji.

edited 18th Nov '11 1:16:19 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

This is a complicated request, should probably be arranged fro 2.0 somehow.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman