(Again) Rename: Cowboy Bebop At His Computer

While I love Cowboy Bebop, and wish it had named more tropes, this is an awful title. I actually have a better one that would lead to less misuse: Contemptible Caption. Thoughts?

They call themselves seamstresses -Feet Of Clay

As long as the current title and image stay, there shouldn't be a problem. If a better name can be found, would be good. Suggested name sounds more like Jay Leno 's Headliners segment.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

That is not at all true. There is an UNBELIEVABLE amount of misuse.

They call themselves seamstresses -Feet Of Clay

That's not what the trope is. It's any case where news media and similar groups don't actually do the research of the story they'e giving. The caption thing is only one example of it (and is in fact only limited to one line of the description).

That's pretty good. I'm going to need proof of specific examples of misuse for this one.

Okay, never mind on my suggestion for an alternate title. That doesn't change the fact that it's an awful title.

Misuse isn't the only reason for a rename.

edited 28th Aug '11 8:24:09 AM by Kexruct

They call themselves seamstresses -Feet Of Clay

right.

I just checked the first three sub pages, and while there is some misuse, it's minimal. Less than 6 on the Anime and Manga page, which is pretty good odds.

I was checking the subpages. I don't know how to do the wikilinks check yet.

edited 28th Aug '11 8:39:19 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

^ Six out of how many? And are you referring to in-page examples or misuse on related pages?

When somebody cites calls for a misuse check, it's usually expected to sample from the wikilinks, not the page itself.

edited 28th Aug '11 8:34:52 AM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Here. Pre-existing, well-used term, and its already beat a rename at least once. Not getting a rename.

Your best reasoning for a rename is that it is work dependant. I countered by pointing out the image on the main page and caption explaining the error work very well.

Lack of misuse Is a reason NOT to rename. Most of the actual misuse comes from fans saying something that was easily mistaken is Cowboy BeBop at His Computer, which is for CLEAR errors, not "they got this a bit wrong". That's Fan Myopia, not unbelievable misuse.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

This is absolutely not a pre-existing term, as any google search will indicate (-7500 hits, that's nothing for a meme; compare e.g. 12 million for All Your Base Are Belong To Us).

Do note that inbound counts also include the page's redirects, so the high inbound count here is pretty meaningless. It has a pretty low wick count, and the name is entirely incomprehensible unless you're familiar with the single incident years ago when it was created in the media.

It's clearly time for a rename.

edited 28th Aug '11 8:57:40 AM by Spark9

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Spark, this has been brought up over and over again—google search results don't mean anything. They change based on what you've searched for before, your geography, and a bunch of other factors. And please read the other thread before you say its not pre-existing. In journalism classes (the most common place for this to come up in the real world), it is the number one example, under this name.

You mean that it's been brought up over and over again by you. No, googling is not an exact science. Yes, a google count is a useful tool to find out if a term is widely used outside of T Vtropes (which this term clearly is not).

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Do we have more than just your personal word that that's the case? If it's only a pre-existing term in one or two places, that's almost Fan Myopia in and of itself.

Hm, Google gave me <100 for, e.g. "cowboy bebop at his computer" -tropes journalism. Without adding journalism to the mix I got about 9000.

edited 28th Aug '11 9:16:20 AM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

@Spark: Unless Fact Check Failure was ever the name of the trope, I think it's safe to assume that the majority of inbounds are going to about the current name.

^ And because redirects don't log inbounds at all, that's all we can go on — an assumption. If a redirect is more popular on inbounds than the main name, we'll never know.

edited 28th Aug '11 9:51:15 AM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Instead of looking at the Count on your Google results (that count has in fact been shown to be absolutely meaningless once you pass a few hundred), try looking at what the results actually are. Where is it being used, and in what context?

This page has been Cowboy BeBop at His Computer since at least August 18th of 2008

Here's the latest rename discussion.

Here's the one before that.

Kextruct, if you're going to use "misuse" as a reason to rename, you need to do a wick check. That means going through at least 50 randomly chosen pages that link back, as listed on the "Related to" page (the button is up in the bottom row right of the trope page), finding the link and listing in a post in this thread whether it's correctly used, incorrectly used, or that you're unable to tell whether it's correct or not.

It's a tedious job, but it's the only way to solidly support a claim of misuse.

edited 28th Aug '11 10:17:14 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

On the other hand, to support a claim of "it's a pre-existing term, honest!" you also need some proof.

Aside from google counting, does it have an article on e.g. Knowyourmeme, or Urbandictionary, or That Other Wiki? That would be a pretty good indication that it is a pre-existing term.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

@Zyffyr: Yes, Google counts should always be taken with a grain of salt. Now doing a set of search queries and comparing patterns in the results paints a better picture than just randomly searching the term and posting a number.

• "Cowboy Bebop at his computer" ~ 7,500. Wow. Anyway, of these, I get:
  • Three TV Tropes pages, one page from The Other TV Tropes.
  • One Fan Fiction Net fanfic, one deviantART art.
  • One page from the Lurk More Wiki.

Of course, adding -tropes to my search query squarely eliminates the first class of results (and bumps the results to about ~9,000). But where is this college or university usage of which is alleged?

edited 28th Aug '11 11:09:47 AM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Some Sort Of Troper is the one who brought that up (in the previous thread), so you'll have to ask him.

But still, 25,419 inbounds is very, very good.

I'm going to to need to see some mighty impressive missue with those numbers. Otherwise, its looking like a widely trope.

edited 1st Sep '11 8:06:44 PM by ChaoticNovelist

Wick Check: Out of 28 wicks, only 2-4 were incorrect. While 2 were unclear, they seemed correct. The references/parody are correct. That's actually quite good usage stats.

Correct:

• Captain N
• Rescue Rangers
• AIR
• A Series Of Unfortunate Events
• Bully
• Chasing Amy
• Chris Benoit
• Coraline
• Disclosure
• Disc-One Final Dungeon
• Drawn Together
• Entourage
• Earth The Book
• Epic Mickey
• Everybody Remembers the Stripper
• Geek Physiques
• How To Train Your Dragon
• Fox News Channel
• Hitman
• Marilyn Manson
• Knight Fever
• I Shall Taunt You

Misuse:

• Countdown With Keith Olbermann
• Evil Gloating- What's this All Blue Entry bullshit?

Unclear/Other:

• Alex Jones- Unclear
• Bifauxen- Referenced
• Dave Barry- Parodied
• Daytime Drama Queen- Unclear

edited 1st Sep '11 9:00:04 PM by Zikiel

I couldn't find the actual review, but if this synopsis is anywhere near accurate, I'd say The Alex Jones entry is good.

The Dave Barry is also good.

Daytime Drama Queen is bad, it's in reference to a medical drama, not news.

edited 1st Sep '11 9:14:42 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

"Bifauxen- Referenced"

Bifauxnen get this treatment all the time they see a picture think Anime Pretty Boy / Bishōnen but its really a girl. Directly refrenced in the trope namer.

However the trope namer is not Bifauxnen, it would be mistaken for male a non-existing supertrope (which is something being discussed in another thread.)

Should that be moved to News Media or Real life? (when ever we get Bifauxnen fixed up)

edited 2nd Sep '11 1:46:39 AM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!