Kamen Rider: General Thread

What, like a fandub?

....I'm not against giving it a shot.

You made a lot of assumptions in very few words. No it's a forum game where you cast tropers as characters in a work.

To be fair, you weren't very clear in your prior post, either.

I'd probably be the Micchy.

The only reason I even bring it up, is because Micchy is one of those characters that one can easily take being cast as the wrong way. I wouldn't want to just surprise anyone with that role. I still need Ryouma, Takatora, DJ Sagara, Iyo from the cafe, and I'm iffy on my choice for Kouta.

edited 21st Jul '16 9:57:38 AM by SilentlyHonest

RX and Kabuto....later

Ghost X Drive is out, and I just finished it. This one's in all spoilers.

The villain was kinda weak, and it's not really explained what his plan is. The placement in continuity is a little wonky, because Makoto is willing to work with Takeru which would put it after Kanon is revived, but creepy hat dude is there, which means this is before that event, since he died literally moments before that happened. To be honest, how the movies tie into the series hasn't been well done in any neo heisei series except for W and Fourze. We know why Chase, Heart, Brain and Medic came back, but it's never made clear why Chase is still himself while the other three are Brainwashed and Crazy (or even why the villain brought them back). Takeru's dad can randomly open portals to the future, but what was the point of it in the first place? So in short, this movie is like an underwater house catching on fire: it just raises further questions.

Nice action though. Jun died. He actually died. Fortunately, he was brought back. Still that was some twisted shit. Not sure if I should find it funny, or think it was in poor taste as playing a person falling into despair and threatening to become a phantom, but it happened.

This new style for the Team up movies was interesting. I'm curious to see if it will carry over to the Ghost / Ex-Aid movie.

RX and Kabuto (this time) 28.

RX:

• Crisis is planning to invade by turning Crisis people into butterflies. Why?

• Well said Bart. But Crisis have more to deal with then just Kamen Rider Black RX. They must fight a force more diabolical then any rider.... an internal review!

• General Jak and Asshole Generals: Hssssss! Internal organizational politics! Our one collective weakness!

• ....um....stuff happens, Crisis failed. RX solves the problem with a Rider Kick and a Revolcane Crash.

• <Monsters actually bites RX as it's being stabbed>

• Damn. I'll give him props for at least trying.

Kabuto:

• What? Daisuke is dead? And he's a worm?

• Wait? Daisuke is alive. The worms punked everyone.

• Fuck you Kageyama! You little troll!

• Gon can tell who's who and what's what. That's why she's the best.

• Oh! They pull the reverse spy gimmick. The worm......<Puts on shades> has turned

• And now. Hyper Kabuto out of nowhere! Shit just got real.

I have returned. Planned to buy a new laptop for my birthday in the 19th days ago, but life happened.

Anyway, still using the same old busted friend.

Russell Star, you words give me hope that there are more whippersnappers that have seen the light of Ishinomori lol

Which reminds me, if Takeru somehow gets the Ishinomori Eyecon... considering he created the franchise, you can guess how OP it is. I wonder if there are any Ganbaride videos of Ghost using that Eyecon, assuming it's compatible.

And Ex-Aid! Wow... he could be the Amazon/Hibiki of Heisei Phase 2 other than the actual Amazon Riders. Still, I guess we can expect more video game crossovers with him.

Or if he's successful, then Wizard could be the Amazon / Hibiki of phase 2.

I can accept that, even if I still like the show, and even though I think it wasn't awful, but it's still currently the weakest series.

Haruto's lucky he's got a nice coat.

Is Wizard really the Amazon of Heisei Phase 2, or is that just the western fans' opinion?

Seriously, most of them are so goddamn divisive. The only opinion that would matter to Toei would be the Japanese, and I dunno what they thought of the Riders after Fourze.

Still, no use complaining. I've been fine not interacting with most of them, so I am free to enjoy the shows without reading their woes.

A lonely life, but I've been doing it since childhood.

Anyway, have you guys seen the SIC designs for Gaim and Zangetsu? What are yer thoughts on them?

Well, I don't know enough about Amazon to judge. I think that it's the most disliked Heisei series among most, and I'd say it's the Hibiki (2nd part) of Phase 2 Heisei.

That's just my opinion though. If anyone disagrees, feel free to say so.

From what I remember, the 70s fans always thought that Kamen Riders have to be cyborgs, or have men with mechanical parts in Riderman's case. Then Ishinomori said otherwise by creating Amazon, who is a Kaizou Ningen/Modified Human, but all biological and enchanted and stuff.

Plus due to how violent he is, people complaint. You can guess what happened.

Hibiki suffered the same fate, in a way. He and his friends are just so... different.

Huh, I think that's the question; what does count as a Kamen Rider these days?

Kamen Rider Shin isn't supposed to count according to fans, but Ishinomori—being the creator—said otherwise. Riderman too, but he also said otherwise by having making him the fourth Kamen Rider.

Amazon faced a lot of backlash back in the day (in part due to being Bloodier and Gorier), but has since then been more-or-less Vindicated by History (as shown by Amazon getting its own segment in Decade along with Black+RX, as well as the existence of the present-running Amazons).

Makes me hope for Hibiki getting a better ending via a new movie or something.

Eh, unless a lot of nostalgia for its first part suddenly pops up somewhere down the line, I wouldn't really count on it.

I have no clue how Wizard can be the weakest post Decade series when Drive and Gaim are both worse than it.

Gaim was several orders of magnitude better than Wizard was.

Can't comment on Drive, though.

Gaim is great. Wizard was... Meh.

Again, as someone who likes Wizard, you are probably the only person in the universe who thinks it's better than Gaim. I loved Gaim. I liked Wizard. Gaim kills Wizard.

I liked Drive as well. Not as much as Gaim.

Note, once again, the thing I like the most about Wizard was his appearance. Nice coat and all that.

Gaim's only flaws to me are how it wasted Yoko and it's insistence on being it's own thing and ignoring the shared universe that Double up to Wizard had cultivated. Oh, and bending over to give Mai all that power and then push her out of the action so that the men could fight over her.

Beyond that, it rocked.

edited 23rd Jul '16 10:31:35 PM by HandsomeRob

Wizard had a coherent plot, a likable cast, and a main character that earned things rather than sat around waiting to be handed things on a silver platter. Its main issue was that it didn't know how to handle humor (and even that's subjective/up for debate.) and the final villain wasn't much of a threat.

Meanwhile Gaim was fun to watch while it aired but its plot was a mess, it only had three likable characters out of the entire cast at best though being honest it's really just Mai that was likable, and Kouta didn't earn anything and was just given powerups as the plot demanded. Worse still, it completely regressed in terms of how it treated its lady Rider.

Between W/Double, OOO, Fourze, Wizard, Gaim, and Drive I would say that Gaim and Drive are easily the weakest with OOO Fourze, and Wizard outclassing the both of them.

edited 23rd Jul '16 11:30:49 PM by Chariot

Personally, I say that Gaim is the best one for all the reasons people listed, followed by Fourze, OOO and Double being tied, Drive, Ghost, then Wizard in dead last.

Though Faiz is still better than all of them.

edited 24th Jul '16 1:51:43 AM by LDragon2

You make a good point.

Gaim's treatment of it's female riders is really frustrating. As for Kouta being handed things, that's actually a plot point since he's being groomed by Sagara to be the man of the beginning from the moment he receives the Genesis core.

Most notably, he becomes aware of what he's becoming, and still keeps going for the sake of everyone, while constantly trying to find the right path.

Haruto and Kouta are both being manipulated by higher forces (the white wizard and Sagara respectively) but both ultimately decide their own paths (or rather, they keep making the choice they've always made, regardless of what said benefactors wanted of them, though Sagara is so utterly Chaotic Neutral that he's pretty chill about it).

More to the point, he (Kouta) had to take the path he did and see the things he saw (killing Yuya by accident, seeing Hase change, finding out the truth about Helheim, the Overlords, seeing Kaito's resolve, being betrayed by Mitsuzane, etc) in order to find his path. The story was about becoming an adult, and while it took him a while to do it, he made sure he knew what he wanted when the time came by learning from those around him, avoiding their mistakes, and learning from his own.

But this is a moot point for me. I love both Gaim and Wizard. The latter for more superficial reasons I admit, though there's some great stuff there.

Gaim and Faiz frustrated me with their treatment of women, but Gaim made up for it with just about everything else. Fourze is still possibly my favorite though.

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It being a plotpoint doesn't really excuse it though. You said yourself that both Haruto and Kouta were being manipulated. The difference it that despite being manipulated Haruto still earned his powerups. Even when he was given things such as the stone that allowed him to use Hurricane Dragon or the Drago Timer he still had to prove himself worthy to use them. Not only that but he still did things on his own in general.

Kouta on the other hand never earned his powerups. He always sat around whining until Sagara showed up and dumped a new powerup onto his lap. Same with how he didn't really do anything for himself at all. Yeah he chose to ignore Mitchy's request to keep Mai in the dark about things but aside from that, that's pretty much it. Up until more than halfway through the show Kouta relied on Mitchy to tell him what to do and even after that he still relied on others to come up with plans and tell him what to do such as Kaito. Kouta never actually grew up. He was childish at the start and he was still childish at the end albeit with more power than he had before.

That's not to say I don't like Gaim as I did enjoy watching it while it was airing. I just don't think it's nearly as good as the fandom likes to paint it. Yeah I think it's one of the weakest post Decade series but I still like it in spite of that because it still does some things right like its characterization of Mai, its great soundtrack, and its costume design. I just wish it had a better plot and main character on top of those things.

edited 24th Jul '16 8:31:55 AM by Chariot

I can kinda see what you mean, but then you bring up how Haruto still got his power-ups from the White Wizard via stones and the draco timer. You say he earned them, and it seems like that at first, but what it really is is that he's being groomed to handle the power in the first place as a part of Fueki's plan. The fact that he had to figure things out at first is just how the latter chose to do things. Remember. Fueki was on a time crunch. If Haruto had looked like he couldn't do it, or seemed to be in real danger, he'd have likely saved him to ensure the plan kept going.

The difference between Fueki and Sagara is that Sagara was way more up front about the fact that he was using Kouta, even if he was secretive about what he wanted, but it didn't really matter, because in order to solve the problems around him, Kouta had no choice but to accept the power given to him, even if he knew he was being jerked around.

It's is true he relies a lot on Micchy. I can't really refute that. It doesn't mean he won't disagree with the latter. Though Micchy is arguably way more immature considering what he did. Kouta at least recognized he wasn't that smart (hence why he arguably relied so much on Micchy, who was shown to be damned clever).