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JenkinstheMighty Since: Dec, 1969
#1: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:03:51 AM

Chances are you are not the protagonist. Be evil or die. Decide.

whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
Decemberist
#2: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:13:19 AM

Why cant I be a good soul in this crapsack world?

Dutch Lesbian
SlightlyEvilDoctor Needs to be more Evil Since: May, 2011
Needs to be more Evil
#3: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:14:08 AM

Well that's an easy choice.

Point that somewhere else, or I'll reengage the harmonic tachyon modulator.
Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#4: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:14:49 AM

Die. We do not choose the world, but we can always choose our own actions.

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PhilippeO Since: Oct, 2010
#5: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:22:58 AM

Evil.

people managed to raise family in Stalin USSR, Mao China, or D Ro Congo. survival for yourself and your family until situation change is primary priority. in most human history majority of people live in Crap Sack World anyway.

Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#6: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:27:38 AM

Situation will never change if all people choose to be evil

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whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
Decemberist
#7: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:30:41 AM

[up] Exactly, thats why I would choose to be all nice and NCR like.

Dutch Lesbian
feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
#8: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:32:04 AM

Stay out of sight and do what little good I can, working within the system rather than trying to break it.

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
mailedbypostman complete noob from behind you Since: May, 2010
complete noob
#9: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:44:06 AM

Be good until I die. And after I guess.

Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#10: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:47:38 AM

Stay out of sight and do what little good I can, working within the system rather than trying to break it.
Agreed, but do evil or die is the choice OP presented

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whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
Decemberist
#11: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:48:32 AM

Why though did the OP only present the choice as evil or die? Does he believe that Humans Are Bastards in a crapsack world?

Dutch Lesbian
JenkinstheMighty Since: Dec, 1969
#12: Aug 23rd 2011 at 2:50:14 AM

But i guess you could be a pony, ponies are cool, just like Amon Amarth!

Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#13: Aug 23rd 2011 at 3:07:47 AM

Oh, ponies are mean-tempered and stubborn, this one knows from experience.

Anyway, OP seem to ignore the whole range of behaviour between Martyr Without a Cause and outright evil mistreatment of fellow humans.

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MilosStefanovic Decemberist from White City, Ruritania Since: Oct, 2010
Decemberist
#14: Aug 23rd 2011 at 4:17:44 AM

Yes, the choices are way too black and white to be plausible. Still, if, for whatever reason, I had only these two choices, I'd go with being evil.

The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
ForlornDreamer from United States Since: Apr, 2011
BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#16: Aug 23rd 2011 at 4:36:36 AM

^ Seconding this.

But if the choice is in fact "be evil, be a pony or die", then pony, natch.

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#17: Aug 23rd 2011 at 4:53:54 AM

Be the blackest evil in existence to tear apart the Crapsack World and make it a better place.

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#18: Aug 23rd 2011 at 5:07:24 AM

Heh, makes sense. If this world is really so crapsack that the only people able to live there are evil ones, let it burn! It's not like any innocent would be harmed.

"Let us cleanse this force with fire

Strike the fool who leads the liar

Let it all come crumbling down

Like the firebird from the ashes

We will rise to lead the masses

The strongest will emerge to wear the crown

Well, they say nothing grows

'Til the oak has hit the ground

So let's clear the way, my boys

And let the giant come crashing down"

Hmm, which leads this one to question about whether it is even possible to be evil in such a world. As "evil", by this one's definition, is harming an innocent. "Innocent", for the purpose of said definition, is someone who have not harmed other innocents nor is in process of attempting to do so. Those who do evil to innocents are fair game, and harming them is not evil. So, anyway, if the only two choices for such world are do evil or die, it means that at the certain point there would be no innocents left alive and thus it would be impossible to do evil.

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
vigilantly taxonomish
#19: Aug 23rd 2011 at 5:13:16 AM

I find that reasoning incredibly frightening.

23The sun had risen on the earth when Lot came to Zoar. 24Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD out of heaven. 25And he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. 26But Lot’s wife, behind him, looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

27And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the LORD. 28And he looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah and toward all the land of the valley, and he looked and, behold, the smoke of the land went up like the smoke of a furnace.

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betaalpha betaalpha from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#20: Aug 23rd 2011 at 5:18:00 AM

As mentioned in the Crapsack World entry, even being evil doesn't necessarily spare one from suffering and possibly dying. And if it's the immutable sort where the Powers That Be are unconquerable and the status quo is impossible to dislodge, dying sounds like a release. Assuming the afterlife isn't just an extension of it.

edited 23rd Aug '11 5:19:01 AM by betaalpha

Beholderess from Moscow Since: Jun, 2010
#21: Aug 23rd 2011 at 5:32:52 AM

[up][up]This one is reasonably sure that there were some innocents there. Again, this one is only going by binary situation OP described.

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#22: Aug 23rd 2011 at 5:56:12 AM

22So the men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the LORD. 23Then Abraham drew near and said, "Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city. Will you then sweep away the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous who are in it? 25Far be it from you to do such a thing, to put the righteous to death with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?" 26And the LORD said, "If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole place for their sake."

27Abraham answered and said, "Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes. 28Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking. Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?" And he said, "I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there." 29Again he spoke to him and said, "Suppose forty are found there." He answered, "For the sake of forty I will not do it." 30Then he said, "Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak. Suppose thirty are found there." He answered, "I will not do it, if I find thirty there." 31He said, "Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there." He answered, "For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it." 32Then he said, "Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten are found there." He answered, "For the sake of ten I will not destroy it." 33And the LORD went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place.

edited 23rd Aug '11 5:57:37 AM by BobbyG

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#24: Aug 23rd 2011 at 6:05:00 AM

[up][up]Well, this one explained her definition of evil. Obedience to Abrahamic god or lack thereof does not enter into it. So just because he considered them all guilty does not mean that this one would. For one, Abrahamic god couldn't care less whether another person was harmed.

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