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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#26: Aug 23rd 2011 at 6:28:22 PM

[up][up][up]That just makes it an example of androgynous, not an example of making the viewers confused.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Antheia Whatever of Breath (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Whatever of Breath
#27: Aug 23rd 2011 at 6:52:25 PM

[up][up] From the Dropped A Bridget On Him description:

Just because the transsexual character, wholesome Crossdresser or victim of gender bending has worked things out doesn't mean everyone else has. There is a fair chance one of their friends never learned how to deal with it. The friend is stuck between trying to maintain a standard friendship and having really inopportune bouts of vaguely rationalized attraction. You can expect at least one person, or maybe even the rest of the cast to continue to deny this person is anything but the "perceived" gender.

When it's the audience that's confused, see Viewer Gender Confusion.

(Emphasis mine.)

In other words, the difference between this trope and Viewer Gender Confusion is in-universe vs. out-of-universe, not "I thought it was the other kind" vs. "Don't know".

(Edited because of DQZ's super ninja speed.)

edited 23rd Aug '11 7:52:41 PM by Antheia

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#28: Aug 23rd 2011 at 7:33:49 PM

If you mean me, what made you think I was confused? I was referring to the Kuja picture.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
Antheia Whatever of Breath (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Whatever of Breath
#29: Aug 23rd 2011 at 7:50:00 PM

[up] No, sorry, you ninja'd me. I meant Discar.

ArtemisStrong Wizard/Father of Tom from The Mended Drum Since: Jun, 2011
Wizard/Father of Tom
#30: Aug 24th 2011 at 1:28:53 AM

It's about the Gender Reveal being something In-Universe that affects the Plot. If it also surprises the audience, that is fine, it's just a dual trope.

My concern is that the In-Universe stuff never really comes up in Guilty Gear.

Get a slant at this glossary of Pulp Detective terms. It rates. Pipe that?
peccantis Since: Oct, 2010
#31: Aug 24th 2011 at 12:00:27 PM

I was almost tempted to suggest a reversed version of the Lame-Great Reaction Guys meme but then I remembered... that memes are not allowed.

edited 24th Aug '11 12:11:20 PM by peccantis

DiamondWeapon Since: Jan, 2001
#32: Aug 25th 2011 at 8:30:27 AM

The image shows two characters react to a gender reveal. Even if the characters are supposed to represent the audience that isn't visible in the image.

Antheia Whatever of Breath (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Whatever of Breath
#33: Aug 25th 2011 at 10:14:58 AM

Of course it's visible. It's all in the text, but it's there.

Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
Cure Candy
#34: Aug 28th 2011 at 7:20:59 PM

So how about using an actual example of the trope instead of misuse that involves the trope namer?

Something along these lines. (this is probably too long but ya get the point.)

edited 28th Aug '11 7:21:15 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
TheDeadMansLife Lover of masks. Since: Nov, 2009
Lover of masks.
#35: Aug 28th 2011 at 7:35:13 PM

... Only one of those even remotely works, and only because the subtitles carries the entire thing.

Please.
Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
Cure Candy
#36: Aug 28th 2011 at 7:39:49 PM

This trope is an in-universe reveal and character response and not just "She is a he" reveal.... All 4 are one story to tell. (as I said its a bit large)

edited 28th Aug '11 7:40:51 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
TheDeadMansLife Lover of masks. Since: Nov, 2009
Lover of masks.
#37: Aug 28th 2011 at 7:45:16 PM

I thought that those were four suggestions.

Still, I want you to cover the subtitles with your hand and tell me what the story the pics tell.

Please.
Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
Cure Candy
#38: Aug 28th 2011 at 7:50:33 PM

This can not be told without some text. And As I said its only an idea, The only other suggestion for this is a complete misuse of the trope. (which this can not be a 4th wall issue its not a reveal to the audience its a reveal to a character in the series with the specific reaction of shock or EWWW.)

edited 28th Aug '11 8:02:24 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
TheDeadMansLife Lover of masks. Since: Nov, 2009
Lover of masks.
#39: Aug 28th 2011 at 7:55:08 PM

"This can not be told without some text."

Please.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#40: Aug 28th 2011 at 8:00:31 PM

I hope you realize that if you actually find this, any time someone says that it can't be shown without text, I'm going to PM you with "A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES" and a link to the thread in question. Even if—no, especially if you're not involved in the thread.

(just kidding)

TheDeadMansLife Lover of masks. Since: Nov, 2009
Lover of masks.
#41: Aug 28th 2011 at 9:22:56 PM

So.... After I slapped this together and made a crappy stick figure comic... I read the trope pages and it seems to be different to what I thought the trope was. Which seems to be some strange and verryyyy specific "thing" that can't be pictured imo.

Here is what I made though. Bluh.

200p horizontal taken from here.

[up]

Oh please do. That would make my life so much more complete.

Please.
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#42: Aug 28th 2011 at 9:26:12 PM

[up] Heh...I kinda like that.

suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#43: Sep 1st 2011 at 8:15:25 AM

Do we have a separate trope for that "long haired person seen from behind, turns out to be a man" thing? If not, we should, as it turns up a lot.

In any case, it doesn't seem to quite be this trope, as this one usually involves knowing the person, then being surprised by their true sex, as opposed to just glimpsing someone in a crowd, etc.

Jet-a-Reeno!
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#44: Sep 1st 2011 at 3:39:49 PM

[up][up] I like that much better than whoever the "bridget" person is in the webcomic shown earlier in this thread.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#45: Sep 1st 2011 at 9:03:31 PM

Hey, what about Space Balls?

"You fools! YOU CAPTURED THEIR STUNT DOUBLES!"

Would that be an example?

Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
Dragon Writer
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#47: Sep 2nd 2011 at 9:03:44 AM

[up][up] That's not the trope. That's not even close to the trope.

Always hiding my keys in the bug bucket, you bastard dog.
kroozer101 A stranger Since: Feb, 2011
A stranger
#48: Sep 2nd 2011 at 4:28:54 PM

I have yet to see an option I prefer, that makes it more clear, than the edited "Bridget" webcomic.

Things of mine keep getting deleted. I curse too much.
Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
Cure Candy
#49: Sep 3rd 2011 at 2:40:03 AM

[up]The problem with it is this is strictly an in-universe thing the comic is being told as an Out-of-universe thing which is not an example.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
kroozer101 A stranger Since: Feb, 2011
A stranger
#50: Sep 8th 2011 at 10:05:34 AM

Bump-Bump-Bump, Bump-Bump, bUMP-bUMP-bUMP... "When the night/ is dark..."

Things of mine keep getting deleted. I curse too much.

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