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MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#126: Mar 27th 2012 at 3:12:30 AM

Said "avowed metalheads" may only like the radio rock equivalent of metal, thus placing them squarely back into the aforementioned group of "many people".

Wait, are you saying that anything without Harsh Vocals is 'the radio rock equivalent of metal'?

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MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#127: Mar 27th 2012 at 4:12:34 AM

Anyway, on the original topic: there's a lot of modern blues-rock/"jam band" music which would be exactly my kind of music if it wasn't for the annoying tendency of these bands to play everything at the same tempo: around 100 bpm, without shuffle. It makes me long for a good blues shuffle or a fast rocker, but they don't play that. I've taken to calling it the "Mid-Tempo Disease".

It's especially frustrating when you hear the intro riff, the drummer starts hi-hatting along, and you're getting ready for a fast, wild rock & roll song... and then the beat kicks in at half the speed you were anticipating. That can be a monumental letdown.

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#128: Mar 27th 2012 at 7:50:09 AM

[up][up] I dislike Harsh Vocals for the same reason you dislike PerishingAltRockVoice, because I think it sounds like shit.

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#129: Mar 27th 2012 at 10:02:17 AM

I would like modern metal if the bands who made it would [...] actually bother to find a singer, instead of just tossing a wolverine in top-loader and hitting "spin cycle" when it's time to record vocals.
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There's a lot of metal groups that I haven't been able to get into because I can't take the death growls/shrieking vocals...I love a good Metal Scream as much as the next person, if that's your thing, but after a point it starts to become unlistenable.

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#130: Mar 27th 2012 at 12:01:19 PM

How many times have people brought up harsh vocals in this thread now? It's getting old.

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MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#131: Mar 27th 2012 at 12:35:06 PM

How many times have people brought up harsh vocals in this thread now? It's getting old.

Yes, it is! So let's all talk about [up][up][up][up] instead!

In all seriousness, has anyone else noticed this? I've seriously considered writing an essay about this "Mid-Tempo Disease".

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inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#132: Mar 27th 2012 at 1:28:21 PM

This is why you need more Drum'n'Bass in your life. tongue

That said, 100-ish BPM seems a pretty awkward tempo to me as well.

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MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#134: Mar 27th 2012 at 2:43:10 PM

Because sounds harsher than radio rock lie firmly outside "many people"'s comfort zones, and "many people" mind violations of their comfort zones - homosexuality for instance - very much. It's a fact of life.

Sorry, I don't see how homophobia and not liking harsh vocals are remotely similar. That's a totally disingenuous comparison.

Said "avowed metalheads" may be giant pussies and putting on a show to seem tougher only like the radio rock equivalent of metal, thus placing them squarely back into the aforementioned group of "many people".

...aaaand this is a gigantic load of bollocks, because there's plenty of metal - maybe even most of it - that doesn't have harsh vocals and can't be dismissed as "radio rock equivalent". Saying that if it doesn't have harsh vocals it's not "tr00 metal" just smacks of elitism.

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MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#135: Mar 27th 2012 at 2:54:46 PM

...aaaand this is a gigantic load of bollocks, because there's plenty of metal - maybe even most of it - that doesn't have harsh vocals and can't be dismissed as "radio rock equivalent". Saying that if it doesn't have harsh vocals it's not "tr00 metal" just smacks of elitism.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

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#136: Mar 27th 2012 at 7:41:36 PM

There's also the whole matter of how the usual style of harsh vocalising misrepresents the broad range of grotesque possibilities in the human voice utilised in various forms of metal. But I digress. Let's quit this topic before we get mired.

The thing you mentioned with blues-rock bugs me as well. It's like they're only focusing on one particular aspect of the blues without comprehending that there is, within the basic concept, a certain emotional and dynamic range there, be it a pained crawl or a sly walk-and-talk or flat-out jumping: It's all there. Use it, why don't you?!

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#137: Mar 27th 2012 at 9:13:18 PM

Yeah, I'd like more modern blues-rock if they'd just kick it a little harder. C'mon guys, it worked great for Led Zeppelin.

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#139: Mar 27th 2012 at 10:06:09 PM

[up] See, this is why Peter Christopherson was amazing.

That, and he responded to my emails.

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MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
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#141: Mar 27th 2012 at 11:38:35 PM

Yeah, I'd like more modern blues-rock if they'd just kick it a little harder. C'mon guys, it worked great for Led Zeppelin.

Note that the whole 'kick it a little harder' thing has been rendered nearly impossible by the Loudness War (this is especially blatant on Clutch's songs).

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#142: Mar 27th 2012 at 11:40:18 PM

[up] Not every band, producer or engineer is subject to this phenomenon, by any means. Also, live performances.

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#143: Mar 28th 2012 at 8:00:03 PM

@MR: by "kick it a little harder" I meant up the tempo and put some energy into it, not pay the producer to compress it some more.

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Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#144: Mar 28th 2012 at 8:17:43 PM

Hell I've given up on new rock (unless if post-rock counts) for a lot of those reasons.

I mean, there's enough new stuff and enough old rock to last me ages.

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#145: Apr 3rd 2012 at 2:13:51 PM

I'd like Traditional Dubstep MUCH more if it where less dreary.

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#147: Apr 3rd 2012 at 2:20:46 PM

Warrior Queen is awesome.

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#148: Apr 3rd 2012 at 2:22:22 PM

this song still pisses me off. i fucking hate her voice. YOU CANT SING. let the thumbs down begin

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#150: Apr 4th 2012 at 4:52:57 PM

I hope I'm not too late on the harsh vocals discussion, but...

I guess the reason most people hate it is that there's mostly no melody involved, so people dismiss it as being "shouting, not singing". What gets me is that many rappers just talk instead of singing and are all over the mainstream...

Not that there aren't legitimate reasons for hating harsh vocals, but "not singing" is not one of these.

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