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Dor from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Hiding
#1: Aug 13th 2011 at 3:16:47 AM

As far as I can tell, this is entirely redundant with the Actor Shipping article—same concept, and a subset of the same examples. With only five wicks (including one from Actor Shipping, and one self-reference) and 41 inbounds in more than two years of existence, I don't even see the need to make the name a redirect for Actor Shipping—the only information which would be lost is that the Lord Of The Rings fandom is the origin of the term, which could easily be added to the relevant example in the main article.

Thoughts?

DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
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#2: Aug 13th 2011 at 5:40:09 AM

Wait, what? Whoa?

How is this the name of a shipping trope and not about tinfoil-hat wearing Conspiracy Theorists?

wild mass guessClearly the CIA is behind it.wild mass guess

EDIT: OK, I've calmed down... yeah, see no reason not to reduce this to a footnote in Actor Shipping, if that.

edited 13th Aug '11 5:41:31 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#3: Aug 13th 2011 at 5:59:39 AM

I'd say cut the page and have the word redirect to Conspiracy Theorist.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#4: Aug 13th 2011 at 9:59:18 AM

It's got six examples, none of them in-universe. Cut-and-redirect as [up] suggests.

edit: note, I could imagine this being a valid, in-universe trope, mainly (but not exclusively) for Fan Fic, in which case I would simply suggest a rename, as the current name is far too obscure and misleading. But that's not the case, and if anyone really wants to make this a valid trope, YKTTW is thataway. —>

edited 13th Aug '11 10:26:57 AM by Xtifr

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#6: Aug 13th 2011 at 11:30:59 AM

The problem is that a "tinhat" in general usage isn't overwhelmingly used to mean a conspiracy theorist, it's also either military slang for a soldier's metal helmet (or equivalent hard protective headgear), or an adjective that's usually appended to a term like "dictator", indicating that they think that they're much more important and influential that they really are. When it does appear in a dictionary, the definition given is the "helmet" one.

edited 13th Aug '11 11:32:57 AM by Madrugada

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#7: Aug 13th 2011 at 11:42:39 AM

"Tinpot" for the dictators, surely. (Your other point is valid.)

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Dor from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Hiding
#8: Aug 13th 2011 at 11:47:33 AM

One of the reasons I brought this to TRS rather than just Cut Listing it (and letting anyone who objected contest it) is that I can almost see a semi-legitimate use for it, if the definition were expanded to be the intersection of Conspiracy Theorist and Shipping—there have certainly been examples of that outside Actor Shipping as well. (That would, however, probably become trouble in an entirely different way.)

So far, though, people seem unanimously in favor of just nuking it and pretending it never happened. Is that more-or-less the case?

Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#9: Aug 13th 2011 at 11:48:57 AM

[up][up][up] Interesting, I didn't know that. I'm fine with that redirect, too; my main point is that the page as it stands now is not worth having.

edited 13th Aug '11 11:50:24 AM by Spark9

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#10: Aug 13th 2011 at 12:07:10 PM

Tinfoil Hat is the general term used for conspiracy theorists. Never heard it just Tin Hat. I thought that was military jargon.

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DoktorvonEurotrash Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk Since: Jan, 2001
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#11: Aug 13th 2011 at 2:21:14 PM

Let's just cut Tin Hat then. I assumed it was another form of Tinfoil Hat.

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Dor from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Hiding
#12: Aug 14th 2011 at 11:32:10 PM

So it's been more than a day with no activity in this thread, and I still haven't seen anyone defending this trope (except for my half-hearted, "maybe this can be fixed, by expanding the definition," upthread). I'd call that a pretty clear consensus, although it's only been a few days. At what point do we just cutlist it?

Dor from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Hiding
#13: Aug 19th 2011 at 10:36:16 PM

With no further response, I've Cut Listed this and moved the relevant information to the main Actor Shipping article. I fixed the link in Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things appropriately; the two index pages (Audience Reactions and Shipping Tropes) I'll wait on until the links become red.

kyfhv Since: Aug, 2011
#14: Oct 29th 2011 at 12:37:08 AM

I removed the two links to Tinhat in the idexes. I think were done here.

edited 9th Mar '12 1:47:41 AM by kyfhv

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