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draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
The Draconic Superior
#1: Aug 11th 2011 at 10:02:02 PM

Exactly What It Says on the Tin, The basic outline is that thirty years before the story starts, a laboratory on a small island explodes, sending a massive shockwave throughout the world, the shockwave however, had a mutagenic effect, turning humans, into become beings known as Shadowbloods. Shadowbloods are different from normal humans, in the instance that they're capable of doing things normal humans could never dream of, including KI Attacks, impressive physical feats, having enhanced reflexes and stamnia, among other abilities.

Off course, humans, being naturally afraid of things that they see outside of the norm, attempt to slaughter any Shadowbloods they can find, killing them at the first sign of a person being a Shadowblood, because Humans Are Bastards. The governments of the world actively fight on what to do with them, causing global panic as more Shadowbloods are executed, often in public. Eventually, the Shadowbloods began to fight back, normal humans occasionally finding themselves killed for even lifting a finger at a Shadowblood.

Eventually, the various world governments and some groups of Shadowbloods come to an agreement: The Shadowbloods get witness protection rights if they reveal themselves accidentally, if they intentionally reveal themselves, they don't and the governments get to study their biology.

This is all good and well for about 7 years, until a portal opened in the middle of a New York City street, revealing reptilian beings known as Reptilians (I know, it was uncreative), whose entire species is made of Shadowbloods. Skip ahead to the present day, humans and reptilians now work together side by side and Shadowbloods have the same rights as humans in society now.

By this time, international fighting competitions have become commonplace, especially among Shadowbloods, who train themselves in either selfmade, or previously existing fighting forms, alongside their natural powers. The story is supposed to follow the thirty character's in the Cast Herds.

Honestly tell me if that ideas sucks or not.

edited 11th Aug '11 10:26:12 PM by draconiansuperior

GiantSpaceChinchilla Since: Oct, 2009
#2: Aug 11th 2011 at 10:07:05 PM

I was more interested in the shock wave then the story that came after it, kind of liked the reptile people though.

So on a rating of 1-10 with one not being sucky at all, but no being good either, I’d call that a 3.

TheEarthSheep Christmas Sheep from a Pasture hexagon Since: Sep, 2010
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#3: Aug 11th 2011 at 10:21:26 PM

What's the idea?

What you have here is a premise. Premises mean exactly jack shit when it comes to whether or not a story is good. Everything is execution.

I mean, at the very least you could say what your plans for the plot are.

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draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
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#4: Aug 11th 2011 at 10:25:25 PM

Admittedly, that's very true. The main idea is that the story follows the 30 characters, in their everyday lives and during the fighting competitions they participate in, everything else is still on the drawing board.

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#5: Aug 11th 2011 at 10:33:54 PM

Thirty main characters is a lot of characters.

draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
The Draconic Superior
#6: Aug 11th 2011 at 10:35:43 PM

[up] I like to write a lot about my characters, a Five-Man Band is boring to me.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#7: Aug 11th 2011 at 10:37:59 PM

[up] You mean you want to write about a lot of characters? If that's your thing, you might want to check out Mahou Sensei Negima. It STARTS with 34+ characters.

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draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
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#8: Aug 11th 2011 at 10:42:35 PM

[up] Samething, I only have two characters so far, so yes, I do want about a lot of characters.

GiantSpaceChinchilla Since: Oct, 2009
#9: Aug 11th 2011 at 10:43:53 PM

Admittedly, that's very true. The main idea is that the story follows the 30 characters, in their everyday lives and during the fighting competitions they participate in, everything else is still on the drawing board.

That’s a lot of characters and a lot of tournaments, it seems like it would be hard to keep up the momentum. How long is the story supposed to be?

draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
TheEarthSheep Christmas Sheep from a Pasture hexagon Since: Sep, 2010
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#11: Aug 12th 2011 at 1:35:48 AM

Whatever you do, you need to make all of the characters visually unique. Especially if you have that many characters, your readers need to recognize each and every one at first glance, and preferably from just a few lines of dialogue as well.

It will be a big challenge to make all of them work that way.

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#12: Aug 12th 2011 at 6:12:46 AM

Here's the deal, dude.

Ideas are a dime a dozen. You can come up with the most interesting and detailed idea, but it will suck without proper execution. Even the most clichéd and basic ideas can be written quite well in the right hands.

THAT BEING SAID, I personally take issues with your ideas. They seem...overly simplified. Like with the Humans Are Bastards angle, for instance.

edited 12th Aug '11 6:13:45 AM by MrAHR

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draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
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#13: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:16:46 AM

[up][up] I'm aware off the challenge of giving them visual appeal, I'm willing to take on the challenge

[up] I asked for the opinion on the premise of the story, not to be told how complex it should be, the use of Humans Are Bastards is based on real life, therefore I took the most logical route and admitted that, No, humans would not accept people who can use Ki Attacks and smash their heads in with a flick, so easily.

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#14: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:19:24 AM

The use of Humans Are Bastards is based on real life, therefore I took the most logical route and admitted that,

Subjective. Alienating. Shallow. Nothing is 100% true, and when such things occur, the story tends to suffer for it.

And I gave you my opinion dude, either take it or leave it. I think the idea is too simplistically crafted, as I just said in my last post.

edited 12th Aug '11 8:26:38 AM by MrAHR

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draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
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#15: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:35:15 AM

[up] Too simplistically crafted, really, yeah, no one else has thought of that idea, would you have in the same situation? Honestly an idea doesn't need to be complex to the point of idiocy. Simple ideas can generally get you out of complex situations. Take this example: An eighteen-wheeler truck, is delivering a shipment when it gets stuck under a bridge it was too tall for. Everyone tries to take a different, complex method to remove the truck, until a child points out the inflation of the tires raised the truck. After removing some air from the tires, the truck passes through. Complex ideas don't need to be used all of the time, and don't call me shallow, that just means you're a waste of my time, never make a reply again if you say that.

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#16: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:43:44 AM

Tires don't raise a truck that high. And even if they did, there is generally a limit to the height of vehicles that can use tunnels and bridges.

So there would be a way around the obstacle. That example is silly.

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#17: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:45:10 AM

I was not calling you shallow, forgive me if you misinterpreted it that way. I was referring to the way the concept comes off, since it is a blanket statement.

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draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
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#18: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:49:00 AM

[up][up] Face Palm if you're not going to leave an opinion, please don't comment, I'm in a sour mood this morning, and that example happened to have been a real life.

[up] Fine, I apologize, mis interpreting it was my fault, but I happened to have worked on that idea for three months, every other idea of mine has failed, if I don't come up with something, I obviously have to give up TV Tropes

edited 12th Aug '11 8:50:59 AM by draconiansuperior

QQQQQ from Canada Since: Jul, 2011
#19: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:49:35 AM

I like it. Is this story mainly taking place in ze tournaments? Would there also be things happening outside of them?

draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
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#20: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:51:22 AM

[up] Thank you QQQQQ, and yes there would be

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#21: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:51:57 AM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
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#22: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:52:09 AM

I never said your idea failed. You asked if we had problems with the idea, and I gave you my thoughts. If you don't want negative feedback, don't ask for it.

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draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
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#23: Aug 12th 2011 at 8:53:46 AM

[up][up] It was in a book called The Einstein Factor

[up] Okay, you're right, writers should be able to take negative feed back, I apologize, I'm just not in a good mood right now

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#24: Aug 12th 2011 at 9:26:04 AM

Fuck. My three paragraph post is gone because my connection decided to fail me for some reason. AND I SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON IT!

Oh, well. Short version, because I'm too lazy to write again:

  • Don't get offended by people criticizing your stories and ideas, they are not criticizing you and are just trying to help you anyway blah blah blah blah (first paragraph).
  • Your truck example is stupid because you compare a solution to a problem with a story idea, two cmpletely different things. Also the humans' reaction seems implausible to me too, considering the current state of the world and the fact that the Shadowbloods are mutated humans and not aliens, and blah blah blah blah (second paragraph).
  • The backstory is much more interesting than "tournament fights with superpowers", but the idea itself is neither good or bad and certainly doesn't suck blah blah blah blah (third paragraph).

I hate it when that happens.

draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
The Draconic Superior
#25: Aug 12th 2011 at 9:33:43 AM

  • I acknowledged that fact that I should take criticism better, and I apologize, I just not in a good mood this morning
  • Okay, truck example was to point out the fact that simple ideas can be better then more complex ideas at times, that was why I provided it, and honestly, people would react in fear to mutants, might be the word, especially if one could burn you with fire made out of Chi
  • Thank you, I don't like to be told my ideas suck.

I hate when that happens too

edited 12th Aug '11 9:34:02 AM by draconiansuperior


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