Reasons why we think Troper Tales should be removed

Nope.

TT was created with the intended purpose of leaving natter off the Main namespace.

I do agree that the entry brough up doesn't illustrate our point. the entries that were found and tested by Ninjaclown, Forzare, Cygan and Thatguythere, however, work.

Originalhobbit, you have proved our point at all. There are several bad ones, we're only asking you to find some good ones. You have something to prove here, not us.

@ Artemis Disproportionate Retribution

@Original: Completely random. Nobody's cherry picking. This isn't up for debate. As said, please find some good examples, then.

Likewise, it's still creepy. I'm surprised that's one of the tropes that aren't locked for real life. But eh.

@originalhobbit I already said that the source is irrelevant. The mere fact that they exist, alongside countless others, demonstrates why removing them is a good idea. What are you trying to defend? My position is thus: Troper Tales are bad for everyone.

Yes, by now, I have to agree that burden of proof hardly falls on the dudes and dudettes who have brought up evidence and arguments for the last 2100~posts

Holy crap, another eight pages.

How about I cite this from back on page 80 or so:

I agree with this sentiment, though not enough to change my vote.

edited 10th Aug '11 12:05:56 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

Okay, here are all my points: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1312770787011440100&page=35#873, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1312770787011440100&page=35#873, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1312770787011440100&page=36#889, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1312770787011440100&page=37#919 and https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1312770787011440100&page=41#1002

Okay, group of people claim majority of troper tales don't fit the definition —> Burden of proof falls on them —> Several of them have presented a large, randomly picked sample with clear criteria for what is good or bad along side the evidence.

Other group of people claim majority of troper tales are good —> Burden of proof falls on them —> Nothing presented yet.

So, you've claimed two good ones for every bad one, originalhobbit, can we please see some evidence of that? Like I said, the vote isn't closing for a while, so you've got plenty of time to build up your case.

Nicely done, ninjaclown. We'll have more stats to back us now

@originalhobbit I'm going to ignore any more complaints about the examples I supplied. They were bought onto the table to defend the idea that troper tales are inherently troublesome. Right now, explain how (having taken into account the bad examples you've seen) troper tales are still a good thing for the wiki, if you know full we'll that keeping them does not mean we will repair them and make it the story-telling utopia that is typically envisioned? What is redeeming about it?

edited 10th Aug '11 12:09:04 PM by tehnubkilr

That sounds reasonable to me. Don't know if any administrative tools exist to make that sort of thing easy, but if it's at all practical I think it should be done; the point is to get this stuff off the wiki, not to snub the people that enjoy the namespace.

Speak for yourself, Norn. I only slightly kid.

edited 10th Aug '11 12:17:30 PM by Fighteer

If it's possible, I would recommend asking for the web page files. Assuming things are to be deleted, we might simply be dereferencing them. If that's the case, someone can take those files and migrate them. I have no idea whether it'll work or not...I'm just offering my two cents.

edited 10th Aug '11 12:16:12 PM by tehnubkilr

Oh, Fighteer.

Probably easier from an external point of view to write a bot that grabs everything in the namespace. Internally, you'd have to wait for Eddie to cook something up.

edited 10th Aug '11 12:17:00 PM by Fighteer

@tehnubkilr — It's not likely to be as simple as that. TVT runs on some very unusual software by wiki standards, so I don't have any detailed information about the technical aspects of the site, but typically a site like this assembles its pages from pieces stored separately in a large database rather than saving each page as a flat file. Depending on how the database is organized and what criteria you're using, it may or may not be easy to split out sections of it.

edited 10th Aug '11 12:22:03 PM by Nornagest

Most game examples are pretty good, with Scribblenauts providing interesting ideas about what I can do in the game, and Team Fortress 2 brings some awesome/funny moments.

However, I imagine tropes are much more of a concern.

I wouldn't have expected it to be a trivial task. But if there was a way to automate the recovery, that'd be nice

There's been discussion about moving game examples to their own space. I think people should just take it to the forums. We do love the discussion and new blood is always a good thing.

The Video Game/D&D(etc) stuff probably could stay or be on a seperate namespace. Those are something that are fun to read(if put in well).

Mind you, they're just as good on the forums, but atleast they're usually not dull.

There is no purpose served by the gaming examples that could not be served equally well by the forums. Other than permanence, which is kind of ... well, references to that thing you did in your D&D session are maybe very slightly interesting the week after, but not so much five years from now. And someone who really wants to know that badly can always go back through the thread in question.

I mean, 99% of the RPG Troper Tales could be handled by a forum thread called "Tropes That Showed Up In Your Game Session".

This thread moves really fast!

Anyway, since pretty much everyone probably forgot what I said, or if only to tell people who joined this after page 50, (because it was seen as a good enough compromising stance)I think tropertales should be thrown out, but people can put their stories about their tropes on their contributor's page. Or somewhere in the forum. If anyone has a problem with troper's anecdotes being inaccessible from the main articles, there can be a "this very wiki" folder, and links to the profiles of the people that Trope-x applies to. At the bottom. To try to have it not be attention grabbing.

...By the time I check on this again, it'll probably have near 3000 posts...

People can do that already, Faramir. Hell, I've got some tropes on my user page, although they're all the results of vandalism rather than being self-assigned.

Assigning tropes to yourself on the fora is seen as kind of gauche, but it's not against any rules I know of.