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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64301: Oct 26th 2016 at 10:43:36 PM

The question of a connection to Thor Ragnarok might be mood....currently I have little hope for another season of Ao S, which is such a shame. It is such a good show, one of the rare cases in which a show does more than just keeping up the quality, but gets better and better instead.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#64302: Oct 27th 2016 at 9:31:01 AM

Well Ao S, in his first season, abused much of the "monster of the week" Trope.

If they make a fifth season, I want the return of forgotten villains as Samuel Stern, Lorelei, Graviton and Ian Quinn.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64304: Oct 27th 2016 at 2:21:34 PM

Neat to hear they plan on shooting parts of Avengers 3 and 4 on the same day because of the ridiculous scheduling.

Next year is probably gonna be a nightmare of filming for the actors.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#64305: Oct 27th 2016 at 2:34:15 PM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64307: Oct 27th 2016 at 4:47:30 PM

I guess that's what they meant about Valkyrie having war paint, though it's more of a general fantasy/scifi design than Native American. Looks kinda cool, curious about the full outfit because the concept art for The Dark World was really nice and I'd like to see some of those stay in.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#64308: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:05:00 PM

off-topic question.

What is the difference in strength between Captain America and Spiderman.?

Some people say that there isn't much difference, others say that there is much difference.

edited 27th Oct '16 5:19:29 PM by dantecito

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#64310: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:33:51 PM

[up][up] That's something that tends to be heavily Depending on the Writer. In the 616 comics, Cap was generally referred to as possessing "peak human" strength - so he's not superhuman, but essentially as strong as an ordinary human can possibly be. Of course, what with comic-book science and all, that can be pretty damn strong.

However, "peak human" doesn't account for the things he's shown to be capable of doing in the MCU. Things like bicep-curling a helicoptor, flinging a motorcycle, and kicking an armored car so hard it skids and hits the guy on the others side. Not to mention running fast enough to keep up with cars. So MCU Cap is pretty clearly downright superhuman rather than peak human.

It's hard to judge how he stacks up against Spider-Man here, since he haven't seen a whole lot of Spidey (although in the Ultimate universe, which aspects of the MCU are heavily inspired by, they were shown to be pretty much evenly matched in terms of raw strength). But I'd still be inclined to say that Spider-Man is probably stronger than he is here, not to mention faster and more agile. It's just that Cap has a hell of a lot more experience than he does.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#64311: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:34:20 PM

[up][up] I think [up][up][up] is asking how does Captain America's super-strength compare to Spider-Man's super-strength.

EDIT: Semi-[nja].

edited 27th Oct '16 5:35:02 PM by TargetmasterJoe

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#64312: Oct 27th 2016 at 6:09:07 PM

Sounds like to keep Infinity War sane, they won't have the whole cast assembled entirely very often.

The president of Marvel Studios also commented on how often fans will see the entire roster of Infinity War band together. As fans expected, those ensemble scenes will be few and far betwee.

“How many times will all 30, 50, 60 whatever it is be in the frame at the same time? That is the hard part,” Feige explained before adding there won’t be “much” of those moments.

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#64313: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:23:24 PM

[up] Hm, probably for the best. As much as we love them, they're still human beings. Human beings with their own lives and careers and schedules to tend to.

Speaking of cast members, Kevin Feige reminds us, probably for the billionth time, to not expect the X-Men to appear in the MCU anytime soon.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64314: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:57:29 PM

The X-Men thing is unsurprising, but I'm a little disappointed to hear no progress on the Fantastic Four front either.

edited 27th Oct '16 7:59:28 PM by AlleyOop

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#64316: Oct 27th 2016 at 8:45:56 PM

That's good to see. That whole situation is just horrific.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#64317: Oct 27th 2016 at 11:24:28 PM

I was reading the Paranoia Fuel page earlier. I got to the video game section where it talks about Team Fortress -specifically, the Spy. And my brain went "Hey, Medusa. You know what you need? A re-imagining of Civil War. This time Team Cap vs Team Stark is just the Avengers & friends playing Team Fortress against each other. Or, failing that, the Winter Soldier playing Metal Gear Solid." Turns out my brain is right.

Or, the Soldier against all of the Avengers in a game of paintball. I'd pay to see that.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64318: Oct 27th 2016 at 11:30:36 PM

Vision isn't allowed to play TF2, he uses noclip.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64319: Oct 27th 2016 at 11:44:48 PM

Oh boy, the "Disney/Marvel is bribing critics to rate Doctor Strange fresh" discourse is coming back again. Only this time it's not from DC Fan Dumb but from leftist Hate Dumb who are opposed to White Male Lead Cumberbatch and the Race Lift (fair enough), and are convinced Disney is paying them off to ensure that films with white male leads continue to dominate the market (OK, you lost me). I get not liking the decisions the movie made, but trying to paint it as a conspiracy is being ridiculous.

Also, that's not how reviews should work. These problems are flaws when they occur in aggregate, not any one particular film. While they're definitely not good, they don't automatically make it a bad or poorly done movie either. By their logic, the high reviews for TDKR mean reviewers are pro-fascist, considering all the authoritarian themes in that movie. Also that Birth of a Nation's 74% score should be way higher or way lower, when that number seems just about right based on both the praises and criticisms of the film's storytelling and technical aspects.

edited 28th Oct '16 12:02:50 AM by AlleyOop

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#64320: Oct 27th 2016 at 11:50:19 PM

What. Dr. Strange is an awesome, well-established character. Just because a movie made about him is good doesn't mean movies starring non-white male leads won't get popular. Dr. Strange bombing miserably wouldn't somehow convince Hollywood that movies starring white guys won't sell, that's just illogical.

edited 27th Oct '16 11:51:19 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64321: Oct 27th 2016 at 11:55:37 PM

This is really getting ridiculous....especially this meme or whatever it is going around pointing out that both Doctor Strange and Bv S got complimented on their visuals but criticised for their stories, and yet Doctor Strange gets the better rating. Really? For one, the reviews of Doctor Strange say that the story is a little bit generic, the ones of Bv S said that it was a badly edited convoluted mess, Doctor Strange go complimented on the outstanding acting, while the acting in Bv S was judged as "good, overall, with a special nod to Affleck" and two, I just need to see the trailers in order to know that there is a huge difference between some nice cinematography in the mind-bending craziness which are Doctor Strange visuals.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64322: Oct 27th 2016 at 11:58:03 PM

Re: Infinity War: They said some time ago that they would shot those two movies back to back, so no surprise there. But I actually only want one scenes in which all the Avengers and Got G are together in one place. Otherwise I want them in handy little groups which are mixed up as often as possible, so that we get some character interaction out of them.

Wouldn't it be funny of Tony and Rocket had to build something together? They would constantly snark at each other, I bet.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#64323: Oct 28th 2016 at 12:02:12 AM

Seriously, one of the biggest movies ever came out just last year and starred a woman and a black guy as co-protagonists. In what way is Dr. Strange somehow supposed to threaten Star Wars in terms of influence?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#64324: Oct 28th 2016 at 12:21:34 AM

Honestly these rants about Doctor Strange reviewers being paid off by the racist white male lobby to protect their power, or that even if they all genuinely believe it's a good movie, it's only because they are biased by being racist white males and that it's a movie nobody else wanted to be made (the inexplicably huge popularity of Cumberbatch with many Asian nationals including my friends from China suggest otherwise), are just the other side of the coin from the MRAs claiming reviewers were paid off by the feminist lobby to praise the Ghostbusters reboot.

Actually looking at Ghostbusters' reviews suggests most of them just believed that for all its problems, it was at least on the good and functional side of mediocre from a moviemaking standpoint. Passing that bar is what it takes for a review to be fresh, and what the reviews should actually be based on, rather than obsessing over whether the film was too feminist or misandrist or how many women were in it.

I mean, I refuse to go see Birth of a Nation because of Nate Parker's rape accusations, and the movie's overall handling of rape, but I'm not going to use the fact that it scored as well as it did to claim most movie critics are rape apologists or were paid off by misogynists, or that The Pianist's 96% review means most of them are pedophiles.

edited 28th Oct '16 2:29:33 AM by AlleyOop

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#64325: Oct 28th 2016 at 1:01:18 AM

A movie having questionable content doesn't prevent it from still being a well-made movie. Leni Riefenstahl influenced a number of film-makers for example, and her movies are as questionable as it goes. They were still well-made.

The reviews for Doctor Strange are positive, but not overwhelmingly so. Most people will watch the movie for Cumberbatch and because this is the kind of movie you do watch in theatres.


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