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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

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#51376: Feb 12th 2016 at 8:46:29 PM

I mean, eventually.

Too much build up though.

I want right after the opening credits a close up of Carol as she just sighs in frustration.

And then explodes.

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#51377: Feb 12th 2016 at 9:45:02 PM

[up][up][up][up]I'm hoping the Ego rumor is true mostly because after somehow successfully getting people to take a talking raccoon with a machine gun seriously, getting people to take a talking planet with a face seriously is the next Marvel frontier.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#51379: Feb 12th 2016 at 9:55:34 PM

They gotta raise the stakes somehow. First movie was a guy with the power to destroy a planet. Now they're up against an actual planet.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51380: Feb 12th 2016 at 10:30:03 PM

I mean, eventually. Too much build up though. I want right after the opening credits a close up of Carol as she just sighs in frustration. And then explodes.
Actually, I want the movie to open with Carol talking to Mar-Vell. And she's saying, "This is all your fault, you know that, right?" And then everything explodes.

Basically, the movie would be a Buddy Cop movie (Carol would be bad cop to Mar-Vell's good cop) until the thirty minute mark when the explosion happens and Mar-Vell dies and Carol gets his powers.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#51382: Feb 13th 2016 at 5:52:57 PM

I wonder what her "canon" hair color is supposed to be.

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#51384: Feb 14th 2016 at 3:40:28 AM

As a follow-up to that Q&A, Gunn loved Deadpool.

Also since someone wanted to know more about the early Got G comics where Groot talked for a few issues it's pretty good that CBR just did an article about how 616!Groot and Rocket first met in a Star-Lord tie-in to a event and became friends which goes over the early issues of the Cosmic Marvel era. Kinda funny that it points out that the initial book was a bit like DC's Suicide Squad since both series are now movies.

edited 14th Feb '16 9:19:19 AM by LordofLore

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#51385: Feb 14th 2016 at 8:15:40 AM

The Groot miniseries did an issue on how Rocket and Groot met. Pretty well done, all told.

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#51386: Feb 14th 2016 at 8:47:49 AM

I guess Annihilation: Conquest:: Star-Lord was kind of Suicide Squad.

Except instead of explosive collars they just dropped them on a hell murder world full of angry not-borgs and airborn assimilation nanotech.

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#51388: Feb 14th 2016 at 9:49:59 AM

" You know you're one bad day away from being me."

Is Punisher vigilante Joker now?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51389: Feb 14th 2016 at 9:50:49 AM

Yeah, I guess Marvel will now advertise for Daredevil and their other TV shows (but treat Daredevil as the big even) and as soon as Bv S hits the theatres, it will go full force on Civil War.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#51390: Feb 14th 2016 at 10:39:56 AM

At least in this case Punisher's got a point, insofar as Matt 1. may have indeed had a shitty day where he actually killed a guy and 2. gets way too fucking violent and, unlike with Batman, this is a source of discomfort for other characters.

edited 14th Feb '16 10:40:16 AM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#51391: Feb 14th 2016 at 10:48:56 AM

Punisher's got a point because Punisher really is Daredevil "gone evil". This is something that permeates their interactions most of the times they cross paths, they're Not So Different, but Daredevil tends to very specifically avoid crossing (at least intentionally) the line Punisher made his work: Killing people.

In general the usual commentary is that Daredevil is what Punisher would be if he became a straight hero rather than a sociopathic anti-hero. Daredevil has the same uncompromising sense of justice, the Blood Knight tendencies, the brutality, the use of torture, but the thing is Daredevil desperately clings to his humanity, primarily via his deeply Catholic beliefs (thus, as the Preacher observes, he feels guilt). Whatever humanity Castle had died with his family.

So Punisher is Daredevil if he lost faith in everything (human society, the justice system, God, e.t.c).

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dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#51392: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:19:42 AM

So punisher will be the Big Bad?

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#51393: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:23:14 AM

I'm betting more along the line of major recurring antagonist. If I had to peg a Big Bad, I'd say they'd likely be related to The Hand in some way.

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#51395: Feb 14th 2016 at 3:09:36 PM

Punisher will likely be the main antagonist, but not the villain, if that makes sense. There'll likely be a common villain they're both against, but most of the personal conflict will come from their differing methods rather than with the common villain themself.

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#51396: Feb 14th 2016 at 5:08:07 PM

I'm rewatching Thor: The Dark World on FX...can I just say that the opening of it, from the story of Bor fighting against Malaketh, Loki appearing before Odin, and Thor, Sif, and the Warriors 3 fighting in one of the 9 realms, is pretty damn awesome for an otherwise average movie?

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#51397: Feb 14th 2016 at 5:14:47 PM

The Dark World has some interesting ideas in my opinion. It screws up on the execution though.

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#51398: Feb 14th 2016 at 5:18:22 PM

Oh of course it does. Too much focus on Jane and the other puny humans, and Malaketh is a bland villain. Loki steals the show, though, but that's because he's Loki.

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#51399: Feb 14th 2016 at 5:26:39 PM

There's the age-old debate (that inevitably is unleashed every time someone even vaguely alludes to it) whether Loki saves the movie (because his charismatic presence uplifts it) or ruins it (because Executive Meddling pushing for more Loki caused the movie to be butchered, reworking the movie around him and damaging Malekith's character in the process).

It's an interesting thing to ponder whilst watching the movie, regardless. I do enjoy the more epic-scenes, like Frigga's funeral.

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#51400: Feb 14th 2016 at 5:50:47 PM

Well his chat with Frigga was one of the better scenes in the film, but I think it all depends on which scenes were added.

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