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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#44301: Oct 10th 2015 at 1:20:27 AM

If she has telekinesis, she can kinesis her own self off the ground. I think she was throwing around stuff heavier than her anyway.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44302: Oct 10th 2015 at 1:28:25 AM

They should do "The Thing wears Pants".

xbimpy Since: Jul, 2015
#44303: Oct 10th 2015 at 3:52:06 AM

what happens if he popped and didnt clean his butt with no pants

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44305: Oct 10th 2015 at 9:09:32 AM

This "reporter" needs a new job.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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Mistakes Were Made
#44308: Oct 10th 2015 at 1:28:26 PM

Nah, he's too busy training to join them.

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#44309: Oct 10th 2015 at 1:38:31 PM

[up] Iron Fist=Z Fighters confirmed?

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#44311: Oct 10th 2015 at 2:57:11 PM

[up][up]I wonder how the Iron Fist (as in Rand's signature punch) will look SFX-wise.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#44312: Oct 10th 2015 at 2:57:24 PM

[up][up] So they changed the character's gender?

edited 10th Oct '15 2:57:38 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#44313: Oct 10th 2015 at 3:48:09 PM

Neat!

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#44314: Oct 10th 2015 at 3:55:41 PM

I like that the Jessica Jones series seems committed to actually having multiple women in the cast, as opposed to just deciding Jessica and maybe a friend is enough and being done with it.

*cough*Agent Carter*cough*

edited 10th Oct '15 3:55:51 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44315: Oct 10th 2015 at 3:56:50 PM

Newsarama's review of the first ep:

Jessica Jones is all about balancing Krysten Ritter's wit with her gravitas, something the first episode pulls off with aplomb. Believe the hype about Ritter's performance - she swings between irreverent and gutwrenching with perfect ease.

Mike Colter's Luke Cage is a standout in the pilot, and the entire cast is pitch perfect. The tone of the show is very feminine, and very noir, kind of like a much older, darker Veronica Mars.

Fans will not be disappointed when the show launches in November - 'Rama Rating: 10 out of 10!

edited 10th Oct '15 3:57:28 PM by comicwriter

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#44316: Oct 10th 2015 at 3:58:19 PM

[up][up]Tbf, the most of the men take a big back seat to Peggy. But yeah, having more women in the cast is always good.

Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#44317: Oct 10th 2015 at 4:06:18 PM

[up]Also, Carter's length and themes made it harder to include more women. Still, coll to see the direction JJ is going (and I hope Carter goes there as well).

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#44318: Oct 10th 2015 at 4:53:25 PM

Are we forgetting her first roommate, her landlady, the phone lady with a gun, her nemesis, and the fact that women being kept out of the workplace is a plot point?

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#44319: Oct 10th 2015 at 6:37:25 PM

Here's the problem with including more women in Agent Carter, at least in the first season.

The entire point is that she's the only female agent. It's one of her driving forces as a character. So there can't really be more women on that side of Peggy's life (she could, granted, interact more with female SSR personnel who aren't agents).

So with more women at work out, that leaves the women in her home life, and I think the show does an admirable job there. The reason it seems like it's not very much is because we don't spend that much time there. And spending the majority of our time in the secret agent show watching secret agent business is a good thing, I would say. Skewing too far in the other direction would leave fans unhappy (for proof, see most of the first season of Agents of SHIELD), and also lead to some Unfortunate Implications where the female-focused show is being super domestic.

There is room to grow, for sure, and I expect Season 2 to do that (on a personal note, I hope Angie gets way more to do this year). But for the story Season 1 had to tell, and where Peggy was as a character in it, I think they did the best they could.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44321: Oct 10th 2015 at 6:46:22 PM

@Wack'd

... Did you watch the same show I did? Also that show had a ton of women. Angie, Dottie, the other Black Widows, the landlady, the girl who lost her home, Howard Stark's girlfriends, the various telephone operators (including the kickass lady with a gun under the table). Having more women in plot-relevant roles on the show would either throw off the show's pacing due to its focus on the workplace or require Politically Correct History, which would defeat the entire point of the show's aesop against sexism. Not to mention it'd be, y'know, offensive in and of itself .

edited 10th Oct '15 7:01:09 PM by AlleyOop

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#44322: Oct 10th 2015 at 7:04:01 PM

Characters, Wack'd means as full fledged characters.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#44323: Oct 10th 2015 at 7:12:46 PM

Dottie isn't really important until halfway through the season.

Man, wouldn't it be great if the phone operators got to do stuff? Or, hell—why did Jarvis have to be a dude? Jarvis is a last goddamn name. Make her Edith Jarvis or something.

edited 10th Oct '15 7:13:32 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44324: Oct 10th 2015 at 7:13:06 PM

They're still giving Dottie the short end of the stick. It's not like there are that many more men of similar importance (Jarvis, Howard, Thompson, Souza, Dooly, and Ivchenko). It's a show with a small core cast in general, during a time when most women were expected to stay home most of the time.

edited 10th Oct '15 7:24:21 PM by AlleyOop

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#44325: Oct 10th 2015 at 7:14:05 PM

It's implied (and stated in tie-in material) Tony's AI J.A.R.V.I.S (which has a male voice) is based on the original Jarvis, thus he probably wasn't a woman

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