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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#31026: Apr 18th 2015 at 10:21:12 PM

I gotta admit, reading recent interviews with Joss Whedon makes me feel a bit concerned for AOU. It sounds like it really took a toll on him, and he himself doesn't feel all that upbeat about it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31027: Apr 18th 2015 at 10:28:53 PM

He was kind of like that with Avengers 1 too, iirc.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#31028: Apr 18th 2015 at 10:29:31 PM

“With so much at stake, there's gonna be friction,” Whedon acknowledged. “It's the Marvel way to sort of question everything. Sometimes, that's amazing. And sometimes” — and here Whedon growled his compliment through gritted teeth, the meaning clear — “that’s amazing.

“Ultron's pain is very, very real to me,” said Whedon. “He can't control the way his pain makes him behave.” Whedon paused, his soft voice grown even softer. “And I can relate to that.”

“No, there's a huge part of me that would love to do Infinity War. I mean, come on, it would just be so glorious. But that would be four years of my life.”

Whedon thought for a moment, lifting one hand weakly.

“After which,” he added, “I would be 20 years older.”

sad

edited 18th Apr '15 10:30:00 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#31029: Apr 18th 2015 at 10:31:42 PM

He feels like something of a perfectionist. Not to mention making a blockbuster is tiring, when weeks of work can amount to seconds of screentime. It's a small wonder many directors take breaks for years after finishing a huge project. That's part of the reason why Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing film was so low budget, because he wanted something easy to film.

I'm not worried that it's going to impact his enthusiasm for the Avengers in the finished product, though. In the DVD commentary he admitted that despite his unhappiness about what didn't get filmed, he will be eternally grateful for getting out things like Hulk smashing the tar out of Loki. And he had a while to think about if he wanted to go through the whole slog a second time.

"Avengers 2, it wasn't a tough decision. For a long time I thought, 'Well, it's just not going to happen.' Then when I actually started to consider it, it became so clear that I desperately wanted to say more about these characters, it would've been an easy no and it was a spectacularly easy yes. There was no wrestling."

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#31030: Apr 18th 2015 at 11:04:13 PM

Joss definitely needs a nice long vacation, and then a long stretch of free time to work on some original projects. In all the AOU interviews, he sounds absolutely burnt out.

edited 18th Apr '15 11:04:48 PM by Galadriel

DeathsApprentice Jaded Techie Fox from The Grim Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Jaded Techie Fox
#31031: Apr 18th 2015 at 11:31:04 PM

[up][up][up]Does that second quote freak anyone else out?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31032: Apr 19th 2015 at 12:19:27 AM

For the record, Daredevil is part of the MCU. If the character will turn up in the movies down the line, who knows, but I think it is wrong to think that the character doesn't get his due. For one, Movies are not inherently better than TV shows, both have their advantages and disadvantages. And two, if we make it to the defender show, he will be king of the Netflix universe within the MCU.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#31033: Apr 19th 2015 at 12:23:36 AM

The TV shows probably won't be referenced in the films, but vice-versa is different.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31034: Apr 19th 2015 at 12:30:57 AM

There was actually a bit of offhand information recently about how the Defenders characters can and possibly will appear in the films at some point.

Probably not in regards to the AOS characters, though, unless Skye is somehow going to be in the Inhumans movie.

edited 19th Apr '15 12:31:06 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31035: Apr 19th 2015 at 2:24:28 AM

The TV series I would most like to see is a New Warriors one.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#31037: Apr 19th 2015 at 8:49:30 AM

[up] I think a more meta show would be one of Howard the Duck. Unless you mean a show for TV and not Netflix.

Speaking of Howard, this happened.

But considering who the guy saying that is, I guess it's safe to say that we should take it with a very, very large grain of salt.

edited 19th Apr '15 8:53:35 AM by TargetmasterJoe

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#31038: Apr 19th 2015 at 9:01:25 AM

I don't know, has George Lucas ever lied about being into a project? I don't remember him ever lying about a upcoming project of any sort. Even the Development Hell-laden Red Tails came out eventually.

For that matter, it seems a classic case of blowing a sentence out of proportion. From what I gather, Lucas said that given reavaliating cult classics is in the vogue now in Hollywood, Howard the Duck might end up riding that wave.

He didn't say "guys, it's confirmed, I'll be directing it and it's set to be released in 2019", he said "Maybe Marvel will do a Howard the Duck movie someday. It would make sense."

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31039: Apr 19th 2015 at 9:09:32 AM

The rumor was the Defenders might cameo in Infinity War. I think they might actually be a little easier to work around in that case since so far they've kept into their own corner and haven't had any interactions with the Avengers.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31040: Apr 19th 2015 at 10:02:09 AM

Well, my ticket for Age of Ultron is ordered...next Saturday, best place available. I can't wait!!!!!!

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#31042: Apr 19th 2015 at 4:27:50 PM

The Ant-man and Yellowjacket suits are ridiculously cool.

"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#31043: Apr 19th 2015 at 6:36:18 PM

Joss Whedon sounds like Masahiro Sakurai sometimes. He clearly has a passion for this and it's fucking killing him.

Man needs a break.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#31044: Apr 20th 2015 at 6:32:05 AM

http://collider.com/michael-douglas-talks-ant-man-and-beyond-the-reach/

So Ant Man will be like Guardians Of The Galaxy in terms of humor. Not sure if it will work as well with this kind of setting.

edited 20th Apr '15 6:32:14 AM by AlleyOop

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#31045: Apr 20th 2015 at 6:50:18 AM

So he's seen Guardians. It's kind of heartwarming that he's doing it for the kids.

edited 20th Apr '15 6:50:38 AM by edvedd

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#31046: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:34:06 PM

Nothing major but Marvel has officially confirmed Nicole Perlman and Meg Lefauve as the Captain Marvel writers.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31047: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:12:10 PM

Oh, I think that is major. Because I still think that a female writer (or a writer which is good in writing female characters) is more important for a good female lead movie than having a female director. Those picks sounds good, especially if inside out is really that good as rumours claim it is.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#31048: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:16:42 PM

[up][up] Hopefully James Gunn doesn't try to somehow downplay Nicole Perlman's involvement in an MCU movie this time around, because seriously, fuck that noise.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#31049: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:17:03 PM

It's not major because we already talked about it a week or so ago.

Edit:[up]That's actually something the current writer for the Gotg comic has also done: in an interview he talked about how HE brought back all these characters from the 80's etc and made them beloved characters. He was tasked with relaunching the book (when they started talking about making a movie about the team)after the very much beloved cult run of the book that actually brought all these characters back from pretty much comicbook limbo just a few years before had ended(and so also ended Cosmic Marvel). His run of the book has had really bad reviews by critics and readers and the sales have been dropping steadily.

If anyone deserves that praise it's the original writers, Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning(who are actually credited in the movie)and their many artists.

edited 20th Apr '15 1:39:08 PM by LordofLore

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#31050: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:32:06 PM

I used to be like "the writer is the most important person" but I'm not so sure now. I feel like I probably only think that because I'm a writer. Somewhere out there someone's going "it's super-important that Captain Marvel have a female editor" or "I can't believe Marvel hired a guy to be director of photography."

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

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