Marvel Cinematic Universe

Welp.

Welllllllllllllllllllp.

Also if the promo material is anything to go by it's another case of Comic-Book Movies Don't Use Codenames.

He's going to play the murderer from Five Nights at Freddy's?

Marvel's Purple Man is much scarier.

Wait, hold up.

Did you say Baron. Fucking. Zemo?

Sure, it's a grain of salt, but- <insert extreme overblown celebratory reaction>

Seriously, though: if he really is in the movie, I hope they don't kill him. It would feel like a waste not to use him to set up a Masters of Evil movie.

On an unrelated but related note, what do you guys feel about them introducing Legacy Character villains in the MCU? I was thinking something like someone else using the Whiplash weaponry (albeit much less bulky).

edited 26th Jan '15 11:51:09 AM by KnownUnknown

So do I. I thought it was too cool to let go to waste. And I hope they could spin Zemo off into a Thunderbolts film eventually.

Some details on an early scene in the Quinjet.

As far as Legacy Character villains go, I'd say nay to that. There's a ton of unique villains to draw from without retreading material already covered in a previous movie. I mean, maybe if they have more than one villain in the movie one of them could be a repeat of a previous one, like having Harry Osborn in Spider-Man 3.

Whiplash's whips were really cool, though.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:02:13 PM by Anomalocaris20

One of the reasons I thought of it is that the Masters of Evil (and the Thunderbolts, as well), are made up of established villains who band together to succeed where they failed and/or pretend to be good guys, and then actually switch sides.

The big problem with this is that the MCU, especially the Iron Man side of things, has killed off quite a few of the villains that would otherwise be willing to do such a thing.

@Known Unknown: What if they don't make a Masters of Evil movie and instead choose to make a Thunderbolts movie and/or TV series?

I'd be down for the Thunderbolts, but we'd need time to establish more villains.

I think if they're smart with Phase 3 they could have villains set up. Especially if you introduce someone like Moonstone in Captain Marvel.

I think the trick is using multiple villains without making the film too overcrowded. You can still get the cathartic "The main villain dies" moment while saving someone for future movies.

Preferably without killing them.

So far, the only villains we've got still living that would actually give a crap about following some master plan of Zemo's are Abomination, Crossbones, Absorbing Man*, Blizzard*, and maybe Ward .

(*) Given certain values of "alive," in the "there's no way they're actually dead" sense. May or may not be currently unalive.

I guess keeping Loki, Crossbones, and Batroc alive are sort of steps in that direction.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:19:47 PM by MousaThe14

D'oh. I forgot about Batroc.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:19:24 PM by KnownUnknown

I'd also add Justin Hammer, especially because he's not necessarily evil at all. I could see him being a Composite Character and wearing the Mach-I armor.

Ward would also definitely work. It's funny, he kind of got Zemo's "line" already, in terms of trying to deny that he's a Nazi but then basically admitting it while also trying to say that it's not a bad thing.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:25:57 PM by Hodor2

Oh, There's also The Leader sort of.

Also, Absorbing Man has sort of been... Artifacted. I'm not sure he can come back from that. But Graviton is a possibility.

Absorbing Man is a statue, but they made sure to add a scene where Coulson points out that he could kind of do that already, as an opening should they decide to bring him back.

There are quite a few characters I think they should've kept around. I'm still kind of pissed about the way they handled Kurse in Thor 2, and I think Savin could've stood to survive Iron Man 3 in the same way Crossbones survived Cap 2.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:25:39 PM by KnownUnknown

Absorbing Man is a safe bet I think, since they made a point of warning the army to make sure the "body" is stored somewhere where he couldn't easily escape if he ever woke up.

The possibility for Absorbing Man to return is foreshadowed in the show itself, when Coulson, upon being asked if he might return, answers, "He's turned to stone, but he could always do that, so I'm not sure how long it'll hold," and urging Talbot to get him into someplace secure quick.

Sadly, Savin did not have the Plot Armor that Crossbones has, being that the latter is an iconic Captain America villain.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:26:11 PM by TobiasDrake

So I just looked up other 'realistic" villains (A.K.A. I looked into Iron Man's armoured enemies) since I remember Titanium Man having a boss battle appearance in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 and the Crimson Dynamo was recurring baddie in the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon.

I only mention them because it'd be easy to introduce "Enemy has tried to make their own power armor" and also, Did you guys know that here are apparently 13 Crimson Dynamos!? I didn't even know any one identity could have that much legacy. That's ridiculous.

Crimson Dynamo is a character they've essentially had to "reboot" a dozen times or so because villains tied to specific conflicts tend to get dated very quickly. The obvious exception seems to be Nazis, who get a pass via Legacy Characters or immortality.

But yeah another armored villain could be easy to introduce. One of the primary Thunderbolts is an armored character named Beetle.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:30:25 PM by comicwriter

Iron Man's rogues gallery is full of great character who even in the comics don't have any serious ties to any real plot and are built to be thrown at superheroes for the sake of fight scenes, so it's basically a grab bag - even with his film series being apparently over.

Melter, Firebrand, Unicorn, Black Knight, Mauler, etc, etc, etc.

Personally, I really, really, really want to see The Living Laser. Though I suppose he would require more explanation than a guy with another armored suit.

I kind of hope the Marvel movies start doing the thing where we have brief introductory scenes involving the hero defeating a throwaway, non-plot intensive supervillain (like the beginning of ASM 2 or The Dark Knight) more earnestly, since it'd add to the worldbuilding and be a neat way to introduce the idea that there really are more villains walking about these days.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:35:24 PM by KnownUnknown

Interestingly enough that sounds like what Joss Whedon is doing with Baron von Strucker in AOU. He says it's all a pre-credits fight and compared it to a Bond Cold Open.

Aw man, I kind of want the Black Knight in the MCU

Do you mean Rhino? He was at the end of ASM 2, not the beginning.

edited 26th Jan '15 12:42:36 PM by spashthebandragon