General Digimon Topic

Well Gomamon will more than likely get Vikemon to keep with the Ikkakumon consistency.

Palmon and Gatomon is a bit harder to pin down.

Well, if they hadn't changed their minds during Savers, then Lotusmon would have been Lalamon's mega.

Instead, she stole Palmon's.

I really want them to go with Ophanimon....but then again, as Adventure has a monopoly on the Ladydevimon / Angewomon rivalry, I'm also hoping she evolves into Ophanimon just in time for a random Lilithmon to appear.

You all know why.

I'd love to see Palmon get Bancho Lilymon, we haven't seen that one animated yet.

So I was wrong. Huckleberry Dragon turns into Jesusmon. You know, I'd complain about how they portrayed Jesus!mon but they already turned Sleipnir into Centaur, I suppose nothing Digimon really does surprises me anymore. Disappoints, yes, surprise, no. Xros Wars being the official "season six" and Gankoomon being royal knight 12 was when they stopped surprising me.

The series has been a series of disappointments to me since 2003 (well, I actually didn't become a huge fan of Digimon till 2008 but I made a point of starting from the earliest material, and its mostly the early material I'm the fan of).

The Royal Knights did not turn out how I would have liked but the Olympus XII and Bansho pretty much did. Can't win em all.

I was hoping that OuRyumon would become knight #13. Instead, it was Gankoomon's apprentice.

And I'd love to see the look on Mimi's face when that happened.

More to the point, it's interesting that just a few months after Lilimon gets a new ultimate, there's new Digimon Series in the Adventure verse don't you think?

I'm not sure if that's significant since Bandai pander to Adventure 24/7.

Maybe not, but you yourself put the idea in my head, and now I'm wondering if Maybe they are going to go in a different direction for Lilimon.

Like I said, it's interesting timing. Maybe it's a coincidence, and maybe not, but we won't know until this new thing gets started.

So Magnadramon did not see any recent use...

Magnadramon as Kari's Gatomon final form hasn't been a thing ever since Ophanimon was introduced. Ophanimon was introduced SPECIFICALLY as a final form for Gatomon, in angel style. Just like Vaccine Metal Greymon all but remplaced the original one.

Oh, and Vikemon was originally ARMADILLOMON's final form. Guess they may switch to Slash Angemon...

wait, virus Metal Greymon came first?

Actually, Holydramon is getting used as Tailmon's Ultimate in the new Digivice. Which is using Vikemon as Gomamon's. Think that counts as "recent use".

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Honestly, Vikemon makes more sense for Armadillomon. Terrestrial, plus the flail and the whole ice age killing the dinosaurs thing for a transition from Ankylomon. The only thing between Vikemon and Zudomon is Zudomon holding "Thor's hammer" and Vikemon having an attack with "Mljonir" in its name.

Tell me, why do people praise Digimon for having "show its work" again? I really don't see it.

Vikemon doesn't make that much sense for Armodillomon. He's all about Armor. Vikemon is a beastial creature, like the entire Gomamon line. Ikkakumon and Zudomon both transition perfectly into it.

With Shakkuomon, he's pretty clearly more armored based, just like the rest of the line. SlashAngemon is a bit more appropriate than Vikemon for the line(Vikemon is not really about armor, he's an ice/water creature, again, like the Gomamon line is based around).

And Digimon does do a lot of its research, but takes its own liberties to make things quite interesting. Some are odd, like Bracchiomon and UltimateBracchiomon. The first one doesn't look that much like a Bracchiosaurus, just more of an often fictional depiction, where the Ultimate version(funnily the Ultimate Level in Japan, heh) is far more similar to their design according to the regular Dinosaur(and related) Books. Namely the Scientific ones.

Sometimes it doesn't care and just uses the name for fun or it sounds good. One thing that's interesting about Jesmon is that he floats, having no legs. "Walking on Water" is a little easier when you float over it. The idea of him using swords is odd, though. I mean, Jesus was also a Shepherd at times if I remember correctly. I think a staff would've been an excellent weapon for him(plus, a lot of the Royal Knights use swords). Although to be fair, few knights use staves. Maybe a Lance could've worked, which few of RK's use anyway.

They don't need to be perfect, after all.

edited 24th Aug '14 1:29:08 PM by Irene

Yes, liberties like jamming dozens fauna into two species of beetle for the sake of a meme, putting the centaur in the labyrinth, equating the Olympic Spirits to demons of the seven deadly sins or the fact Mercurymon doesn't fly, or have much to do with thievery or medicine.

It is not to say they don't do some brilliant stuff, like introduce a generation known for hating math to a tensegrity but so much they do is so hodgepodge and or off mark it confuses me why it gets so much praise compared to any other mons outing. The Knights of the Round table serving the world tree with such famous knights as Slepnir and Jesus among their ranks has simply been the longest running example. I'd have just ignored the Royal Knights altogether but it has UlforceV-dramon in its ranks, so it always drew my attention.

You know, I think some of their takes on public domain characters are done pretty well. Lucemon is one of my favorites but in the same group we have Lilithmon, whose existence doesn't particularly bug me, but what would have been wrong with Ashmedaimon or Asmodeusmon? That's obviously the scheme they drew off of. There's nothing particularly lustful about her character either (Daemon misses the entire point of what the fittest really means, Beelzemon gains power through "eating" in the adaptations, to make their sin more clear. Lilithmon is vain, tames monsters and is hypocritical...that's bad and all but not really "lustful")

Maybe I expect too much from a toy commercial, but this front really isn't one of the areas where I do. I just think too much credit is given.

Mercury never had anything to do with medicine. Messenger of the Gods and patron of thieves only. Medicine was another guy.

You're right, he was the god of edible roots, and for some reason I equated that with medicine in my mind (herbs are equated to healing in Digimon, I don't know). My point still stands, he had a lot more than two godly duties/attributes and Mercurymon hardly incorporates any of them.

Honestly I don't care much about what they're based on as long as I like the design. I really like Kentaurosmos, in part due to his role in Savers and I like pretty much all of the Royal Knights, though I think I need to see more of Examon and Gankoomon to warm up to them. Gallantmon is either my favorite Digimon or tied with Seraphimon, and I didn't even like Tamers that much.

If anything, Digimon's takes on certain concepts are certainly unique. Jesus dragon is not something I would ever expect.

Still not seeing why they need to be "perfect". Probably because they don't. As long as it's overall interesting and is logical enough from what it digivolves from(which is usually the case).

Yeah, not seeing this kind of problem. But I'll be blunt, there is no reason any series needs to be "perfect". Putting in some work into making it look good is fine, but refusing to take liberties is just boring. Digimon is not a collection of specific characters from other series, it makes characters that are inspired by other series. Inspirations do not mean copy cats. in fact, I'm very happy they take a ton of liberties. It makes them unique and great. I myself want to see more logical palette swaps myself. I always wondered why WaruSeadramon is the only "black" member of the Seadramon family. He can't go into any of the Mega levels except regular Metal, which is kind of odd. I'd expect him to go into GigaSeadramon or ChaosMetalSeadramon, at least. I do like he can go into Gaiaomon/Samudramon(a samurai X-Antibody Viral Wargreymon combination. Really cool, imo), BlackWarGreymon, or ChaosGallantmon. What's notable is they all are armored warriors with powerful weapons that can jab. And most can slash, which is fitting to digivolve from a guy with a huge blade on his head(and some general armor). I'm a bit disappointed Waru doesn't have some nice Champions beyond maybe Ebidramon and Coelamon. And even less decent Rookie choices.

What's notable is that Coelamon and BladeKuwagamon can go DNA into MetallifeKuwagamon. ...You'd think the opposite choice would be WaruSeadramon since it's basically a fish with a blade. Although they might decide to go with that later, but eh.

A thought about the Crests comes to mind: It isn’t hard to think about what the opposites of some of them would be: Courage and Fear, Love and Hate, Knowledge and Ignorance, and Hope and Despair.

Friendship could be either Enmity (antagonistic relationship with others) or Loneliness (of not having friends). (I prefer Loneliness since it feels too similar to Hate)

I am having trouble trying to reconcile the dub change for Mimi’s and Joe’s Crests. Sincerity & Reliability (English) vs. Purity & Honesty (Japanese). The Japanese version is easy Impurity (someone who indulges in amoral conduct) and Deceit

If I go with the English version they (Sincerity, Reliability, and for that matter Honesty) also share many similar antonyms of the deceitful/untrustworthy sort and I’m trying to guess which would make the most sense for them.

I understand the context as; “Mimi is sincere with her feelings" both to herself and others. The best opposite I feel for this would be Hypocrisy.

For Joe it’s more like he’s someone you can always depend on and trust to have your back. So again I guess it would be Deceit?

Thoughts?

edited 24th Aug '14 9:07:59 PM by WorldTurtle

If the Crest of Kindness were still there, its Evil Counterpart might be the Crest of Cruelty/Brutality or something similar. We also never saw the Digi-Egg of Kindness, which they probably could have used to have Ken bridge the gap between Tai's group and Davis's group.

edited 24th Aug '14 9:35:41 PM by Ghostninja109

One of the Drama CDs had the Digiegg of Kindness.

edited 24th Aug '14 9:47:26 PM by theweirdKiddokun

One issue with the Drama CD's is that they still haven't actually made official arts for the remaining Armors.

Also, one thing that slightly annoys me is when a Digimon can use the same Egg to Armor digivolve into two different Digimon, or going into one Armor Digimon using one of two Eggs. Just pick one and stick to it fully.

Well at least for digiegg of kindness they did do it for all the 02 kids.

I mean the actual Armor Digimon themselves. All the Eggs have full art. Most Armor Digimon do as well. There's just something left that don't.

Also, I still want to see a Digimon simply called Beemon. All of them have some part before that name, literally.

I think I get what you mean like how some of them have the crest symbol and looks like the egg used and others....yeah the less said the better.