General Digimon Topic

Which is why I prefere to watch Xros wars dub, because it gives the digimon much more of their own personal goals and personality to match than adventures or savers. I just prefer how much it doesn't end up being like the formers so it can really be more interesting than just having Satellite Character and Mary Sue sisters.

edited 22nd Jun '14 8:14:10 PM by KingKix

So is Tamers unimportant to this discussion?

Renamon had some nice development, as she actually learned what it meant to have a partner.

edited 28th Jun '14 9:16:43 PM by HandsomeRob

While the Digimon in Tamers did have distinct personalities and (if I recall correctly) Terriermon and Renamon came from the Digital World, knowing some more about their past and about the Digital World would have been interesting.

No, Terriermon came from that video game (which made enough sense, Digimon being from a computer program originating on Earth, little plot hole on how exactly Gorillamon came back to life though)

I'm just gonna assume Gorilliamon never actually died. It just looked like he did.

Considering the effort they went to to emphasize that digimon don't come back in Tamers, that must be the case.

Some more worldbuilding for the Digital World would still have been nice, though.

I tend to assume that Digimon can come back in Tamers and the only reason we never saw it was because most of the time another Digimon ended up absorbing their data after they died.

I don't think that's the case. The tamers went through all the layers of the Digital World in this season and none of them had a Primary Village, what means a Digitama should appear at the very location the Digimon dies and even when the data wasn't absorbed there was not a reformatting as an egg. Also, the only time an egg was seen in the entire season was when Guilmon was borning for the first time.

Everything indicates that version of the Digital World doesn't have a revive system, what makes sense considering the Tamers continuity has one of the most basic Digital Worlds ever seen. Day and night were just programs automatically triggered when the time comes, it has a closer relationship with the human world than any other version with the giant globe in the sky constantly sending streams of information and all, evolution has to be granted by either the Sovereign or the Light of Digivolution, it has an Eldritch Abomination whose job is to get rid of the exceeding amount of data, they not having a complex system for Digimon to revive makes sense considering how archaic their overworld system is. Remember the Digital World was made by a small group of people in this continuity.

Also, I don't like the idea of Digimon having the ability to revive in this season because that was one of the reasons the setting was so strong in first place. It was deconstructive and the actions of everyone not only were made more realistic, they had greater consequences than what is usually seen in Digimon. As an example, it is tragic and sad when a Digimon dies, but what makes Leomon's demise so much more powerful than usual is the fact it is not reversible, and that's why Jeri undergoes such a massive BSOD depression, she knows there is no magic solution out of this. They can't just explode Beelzemon and release Leomon's data in an egg, she says so when Takato is about to kill him and no one, not even the Digimon around, corrects her because she is right.

edited 6th Jul '14 5:53:22 PM by ShadowAbyss

Gorillamon died and came back though so it obviously has to be possible even if we don't see it.

edited 6th Jul '14 6:35:23 PM by Chariot

Last time I watched Tamers was years ago so I would have to rewatch this part to come to a proper conclusion, but I keep what I said mainly because if deaths are reverisble in Tamers than Jeri's character in the final arc loses its credibility due to the overblown way she reacted to it. Mind you, I already think TK's "double personality" when darkness is involved to be Narmy because Patamon is usually right on his side when he does it.

I'm telling you, he obviously never died in the first place.

He came back because he just got his ass kicked.

As has been said, if Digimon could come back, then it would make Leomon's death needlessly pointless.

I mean, Word of God said Leomon was chosen to die not only because it had happened before, but also to cement that this was not just a game (it wasn't in Adventure either, but at least the digimon could return).

As much as Leo's death pissed me off (he and Juri/Jeri was just starting to come together as a team), I agree that he can't be revived.

There is zero evidence that Gorillamon did not die and come back. Hell Digimon being able to come back after dying but Leomon not coming back adds more weight to his death.

No, it would raise questions about why Leomon didn't come back and piss off fans.

No it wouldn't. Leomon's data was absorbed. If Digimon who don't have their data absorbed (like Gorillamon) could come back then that adds more weight to Leomon's sacrifice because he had the potential to come back but his data being absorbed prevents that.

Except for that little thing that happened when Beelzemon absorbed too much data.

edit:And that he used Leomon's attack later on. Both would suggest even the slightest possibly of being able to save Leomon or his data.

edited 6th Jul '14 11:02:34 PM by Cross

They even discussed what happened to digimon who aren't absorved within the show; The cat Deva was angry that they were throwing away the enemy's data like it was nothing, while the Tamers were hoping they might be revived somewhere else. Which obviously won't, although the scattered data might help forming other digimon.

In gorillamon's case he disappeared offscreen when galgomon stopped chasing him, there wasn't implied death; the whole surprise was that it was the very same digimon and it wanted revenge.

And then there's whatever went on with Vajiramon's return.

Vajramon didn't die either.

From what I can tell, he just managed to escape by some kind of teleport.

Even I remember Vajramon didn't actually die, it was made clear to be just teleportation. You know, disappearing from a place to reappear in another.

The very idea of Vajramon being able to revive that quickly is utterly ridiculous because if it was possible for their servants to do that in such speed then Zhuqiaomon would never run out of Devas to send after the heroes.

I thought this thread had been bumped because someone had new information. Oh well.

Tamers Vajramon did not teleport, he just reformed after being being broken apart, the same way Zeromaru did in V-tamer or the good guys did in Adventure. There was precedent for it.

Gorillamon might have done the same thing, but it was never shown onscreen. All we knew is that he blew up and then he returned a year later.

Want knew information, eh? How about the final Bancho reveal?

Bancho Golemon◊.

Time to celebrate. Banchous represent!!!

edited 9th Jul '14 6:07:30 AM by HandsomeRob

He looks pretty cool. :)

....

I just realized:

The Gekkomon episode from way back in adventure is a very loose Whole-Plot Reference (more like an homage I would say) to two different Fairy tales:

The Frog Prince and Sleeping Beauty.

Only, in this case, the Frog Prince is Sleeping Beauty.

edited 9th Jul '14 7:03:53 PM by HandsomeRob