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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#11601: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:22:43 PM

I was the one writing that, and ultimately, the conclusion of it is that the Naruto world is basically fucked. Even fudging things in their favor, the Naruto world simply has nobody who's apt to take on him.

Not because of power. Cell is... well, consider it the same as dropping the T-1000 in a medieval world.

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#11602: Feb 25th 2017 at 10:49:29 PM

I would think it would be even worse. With the T-1000, you could always resort to a volcano (although actually getting it in there would be quite the trick). Cell could survive a volcano.

Edit: I now have the strangest urge to write a Legend of Zelda/Terminator crossover.

edited 25th Feb '17 10:51:48 PM by Hyp3rB14d3

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#11603: Feb 26th 2017 at 6:00:27 AM

Like with the T-1000, they do have a shot at killing him. Both Dust Release and the original wind Rasenshuriken (and notably, not the others) should be able to inflict damage at a level at which it can overcome his regen and kill him.

Naturally, actually pulling it off is about as likely as tossing the T-1000 into an active volcano.

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Ironypus from Australia Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#11604: Feb 27th 2017 at 7:10:06 AM

So nerf him, make the regen take hours/days/whatever instead of being instant. Or just write a 200 word story about how Cell ate everyone then got ganked by the moon crashing into the earth two years later.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#11605: Feb 27th 2017 at 7:14:07 AM

The problem is that nerfing Cell makes no sense. Yes, his powerlevel would be infinitely lower, but the problem here is that Cell would have access to all the bloodlines that Orochimaru could get his hands on, which would make him... still a weakling compared to his DBZ self, but in the Naruto world, it's all about the genes, so a Cell-type Android would be unimaginably broken in the Naruto world.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#11606: Feb 27th 2017 at 8:37:12 AM

Would he even have regeneration though? The only reason Cell even had regeneration in the first place is because he had Piccolo's DNA in him, and I don't think any Kekkei Genkai grants regeneration in the first place.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#11607: Feb 27th 2017 at 8:44:54 AM

Orochimaru figured out how to make new bodies for himself by spitting them out. He can figure out regeneration From a Single Cell if he develops a body from scratch, especially when he's got access to stuff like Juugo and Senju Hax.

Also, him not being able to at first would match with Cell's first few forms, as far as we know, they did not possess regeneration at that level, but Perfect Cell would have several Bijuu in him supercharging his regeneration. That was my idea, anyway.

edited 27th Feb '17 8:46:04 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#11608: Feb 27th 2017 at 8:49:55 AM

I mean, Juugo's ability was just subconscious absorption of natural energy; the only reason for the transformations was because he and his clan never had the sage training necessary to use it. Plus, only Hashirama had a healing factor, and even then that was more him using his own chakra to self-heal wounds then anything else; plus, that apparently didn't stop him from dying either. Also, if Orochimaru could even make that level of regeneration in the first place, then that creates the question of why he never made himself bodies that could do that at all.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#11609: Feb 27th 2017 at 9:07:45 AM

I mean, Juugo's ability was just subconscious absorption of natural energy; the only reason for the transformations was because he and his clan never had the sage training necessary to use it.

How is this relevant? The point is, Orochimaru created a method of immortality through curse seals made from Juugo juice. The idea would be something similar - a 'core' from which Cell regenerates based on the same idea.

Plus, only Hashirama had a healing factor, and even then that was more him using his own chakra to self-heal wounds then anything else; plus, that apparently didn't stop him from dying either.

So? Again, that's not relevant. The point of the Senju hax is their 'bodies', you know, the whole 'body of the sage' like how the Uchiha have the eyes. Yes, they're not 'immortal', but neither is Cell, especially in his first few forms.

Remember, Piccolo couldn't regenerate from a single cell either, the idea of Cell is that he has everything his components had but better.

Furthermore, you really need to stop inserting yourself into a conversation when you don't seem to know what people are talking about. Because if you would, you would understand why this:

Also, if Orochimaru could even make that level of regeneration in the first place, then that creates the question of why he never made himself bodies that could do that at all.

Is a dumb thing to argue in this context.

For the record, Hashirama dying in battle is yet another one of the giant plotholes in Naruto, since it literally makes no sense that he died in battle when the guy could kill entire armies on his own.

edited 27th Feb '17 9:09:48 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#11610: Feb 27th 2017 at 11:20:13 AM

I more meant that in the context of your story; if Orochimaru actually could make something with a regenerative factor like that, then why would he bother making anything like Cell and just stick with making the ultimate body for him to transfer over to?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#11611: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:02:52 PM

Again, if you knew what we were talking about, you'd understand that that's exactly the point, Orochimaru made Cell as the perfect body for him. It went Gone Horribly Right, basically.

Incidentally, speaking about Gone Horribly Right, one thing I'd like to see is Sasuke handled half as well as Velvet was in Tales of Berseria.

It says something when the revenge-obsessed lunatic who kills indiscriminately and would've gladly doomed the world for the sake of her revenge is more likable than someone who is supposed to be a good but misguided person.

edited 27th Feb '17 3:18:12 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#11612: Jun 30th 2017 at 9:47:33 AM

Bonk.

Kurenai isn't a stand in for the author. What the author said was that Kuranai is his "primary mouthpiece"

I think we have two different understandings of the word "surrogate." Or I might be using the wrong trope. But point still being - Kurenai is the author's vehicle for making jeering remarks about the canon. An effective expansion on a character that wasn't really explored or developed in said canon, yes, but a vehicle nonetheless.

They hasn't been the case for a while, though, so it's no longer an issue.

Yeah, because she was killed off after breaking Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

I also fail to see how it being a Naru Hina fic before that pairing became popular (which I doubt is the case) somehow makes it bad.

Because Naruto instantly abandons his crush on Sakura because he starts hanging out with Hinata. Also, Sakura's rejection of him hits a lot harder than it did/is a lot harsher than it was in canon before the story's For Want Of A Nail actually takes place. Because the author wanted it to be.

The Naru Hina irritates me on a petty level because, to me, it's the most popular ship, and despite being decently written, the story has issues, but it's one of the highest reviewed fics. Which to me is just a little unfair - it's doing two things that sell really well in Naruto fanfiction: it's pairing Naruto and Hinata, and it's reducing Team 7's roles. Combine that with a high review count and it's basically self-sustaining.

It's a petty reason but it's mine.

As for it being used to bash Team 7, the author takes one jab

I will come back and comb through the fic and bring back evidence tomorrow of just how many jabs there were, if you want me to. Because there was more than one jab. It was just underscored by the story not having Sasuke and Sakura beat Naruto outright and steal his stuff for kicks.

edited 30th Jun '17 9:56:59 AM by Soble

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#11613: Jun 30th 2017 at 10:04:47 AM

The only thing I have to say is that the Nail happened long before Naruto was ever born. Anything past that would just be arguing semantics which would be a waste of time here.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#11614: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:03:25 PM

The nail was that Kurenai's family/team (IIRC) got assassinated due to some plot between Danzo and, dun dun dun, the evil shadowy mysterious Konoha council - who the author claimed weren't just another iteration of that tired cliche of some shadow council in Konoha trying to make Naruto suffer. Nah, instead they're making Kurenai suffer.

To be fair I haven't read it in awhile and I didn't read past Naruto getting some kind of turtle/Gamera summon contract - because why not, Jiraiya ain't got anything to say about it - but the nail didn't affect Naruto's relationships with people. The author did. Because while the author might not want Sasuke and Sakura to suffer, the author wants to Accentuate the Negative and remove Naruto's connection with them.

The author had Sasuke disparage Hinata before a match with Naruto after seeing Hinata get beat by Neji. Sasuke is cocky, yes, he becomes more of an arse later, yes. But at that point in time the kid had just gone through a mission and a field exam where his and others' lives were on the line. He's apathetic. He's not so much of a little sh't that he would watch someone get clobbered and then make fun of them.

But it's okay that he goes out of character for a moment to piss off Naruto because it means Naruto - who conveniently has become Rock Lee-lite in this story - gets the chance to dominate him in a single punch. We don't even get a fight scene, just a "hah hah, Sasuke got owned, suck it Stations Of Canon" moment. The reaction from the reviews of that chapter confirm as much.

edited 30th Jun '17 12:07:50 PM by Soble

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#11615: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:05:56 PM

Wait, Naruto can summon Gamera now? Then he's fucked if someone gets a Godzilla summon.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#11616: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:12:56 PM

It was due to Naruto being trained by Kurenai who - not being an author surrogate at all - has the bright idea to have Naruto and Hinata train with Guy and Lee. Naruto and Hinata excel at this and start using "Strong Fist" or whatever it is that Lee uses.

The story develops and after Kurenai's death, Naruto ends up asking for a summon contract from Guy, and I distinctly remember Guy referring to the creature as the "friend to all children." I didn't know what that meant at the time but some readers pointed out it was a reference to Gamera.

Which sounds damned cool since Guy had a turtle summon in canon, I admit. My issues with the fic aside it had cool ideas, it did at least try to tell the story from outside of Protagonist-Centered Morality, and it had Naruto fight Gaara by turning his sand into mud I think.

edited 30th Jun '17 12:13:27 PM by Soble

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#11617: Jun 30th 2017 at 12:16:42 PM

Actually, how would Godzilla fair against the Bijuu?

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#11619: Jul 6th 2017 at 5:30:45 PM

I just started writing an Alternate Universe Fic set in Chicago back in The '80s with Itachi as the main protagonist. It initially focuses on gangs and urban decay (Itachi himself is in a gang) but will later verge into the territory of horror and include some crossovers.

So far I have written two chapters.

Here is my fic, "Lords of Uptown"

http://archiveofourown.org/works/11419338/chapters/25582401

AneurysmIncoming Since: Sep, 2017 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#11620: Sep 5th 2017 at 8:08:14 AM

"Hold your head high and don't let the waves engulf you. Wave Country, a no-man's land forsaken by the powers that be. A tyrant clamps his hands around the throats of its people. With the situation spiraling out of control, Konoha sends out it's best to investigate. There is only one way forward and Team 7 must stand against the rising tide. Welcome to the Wave. (Hard AU)"

This is a Naruto fan-fiction that I'm writing that's set in an alternate universe. The story takes place in the Wave country, one that's in the tyrannical clutches of a re-imagined Gatou. The situation rapidly gets more complicated. The story stars Kakashi, Zabuza and Team 7 as the main characters.

fanfiction.net /s/12629363/1/You-are-not-a-Hero

edited 5th Sep '17 8:22:54 AM by AneurysmIncoming

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#11622: Sep 26th 2017 at 5:07:30 PM

Aside from Team 8, are there any good fics where Hinata is on the same team as Naruto? Either Naruto gets put on Team 8, Hinata gets put on Team 7, or just total team reshuffle.

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#11623: Sep 27th 2017 at 12:59:31 AM

I remember a fic where Naruto, Lee, and Hinata were on a team, but while it wasn't terrible, I don't remember it being very good, either.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#11624: Oct 5th 2017 at 7:29:16 PM

That... is a powerful description. :p

I wanted to throw this plot bunny out here again since it was one of the ideas I heard about way back when I first jumped onto this website, and the idea was just too poignant to ignore. In fact, I want to revive this idea every year or so until somebody either writes it, or draws fanart of it.:

  • Orochimaru is a scornful man, and a scientist. As part of his ultimate revenge against Konoha, he designs a special lifeform to be awakened in the event of his death. Enter Sasuke Uchiha. Upon assimilating Orochimaru, this lifeform is unleashed unto the ninja world... its name is Cell.
  • Cell from Dragon Ball takes his place among the Naruto villains. Orochimaru programs him to absorb Cursed Seals (y'know, instead of Androids) and he's also capable of absorbing tailed beast chakra. Only, due to being built by Orochimaru, he's not at Cell Saga-levels of power, but relative to the Naruto cast around Part II.
  • We then have a Naruto Part II where Cell is hunting Sasuke and Team Taka, while also interfering in the Akatsuki's plans and generally being A Spanner in the Works.

This, too, has been a powerful description.

edited 5th Oct '17 7:30:16 PM by Soble

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Archivist10 Oh for God's sake! Since: Jan, 2013
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#11625: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:18:29 PM

Its just surprising just how 99% of Naruto x overs are essentially Isekai.

TBH, I think Naruto is a relateable character and a character in his own right that he's bound to be better than anything we get from a light novel but still.


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