DEATH BATTLE

Said Word of God doesn't explain the why or how behind that assessment, and for all we know they might be wrong in their assumption (if they did not analyze the two properly, that is). That's what Death Battle is for: Analyze the fighters' abilities, then determine who is the most likely to win, and explain why and how.

edited 24th Nov '14 12:39:21 AM by MarqFJA

You'd think the person who created both characters would know which of them would win in a fight. Then again, as Stan Lee once said...

... Awww, come on, Mr. Lee. No need to be that confrontational. ^^;

PS: This is the first time I've ever heard Stan Lee's voice. Sounds eerily similar to the narrator from those few Spider-Man games on the PSX and PS 2 (you know, the ones where he faces a team-up of Doctor Octopus and Carnage in one, and a souped-up Electro in the other).

edited 24th Nov '14 1:40:59 AM by MarqFJA

That's because Stan Lee was the one who did the narration for those games, as well as the opening narration for Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions.

edited 24th Nov '14 1:46:53 AM by Arawn999

... Awesome.

Wait. So you've never seen Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man 3, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America, The Avengers, Thor 2, The Winter Soldier, or Fantastic Four?

I actually don't think Word of God should matter in this case. While he did create the initial character, the character has grown far beyond what he intended and so his construct of the character & Bayonetta beating him might be different from what the actual reality is with Dante's full power. He didn't write DMC 2 which placed Dante at an even higher power rate, he didn't do anything with DMC 3, and he wasn't involved in DMC 4. Without the logic behind it explained, for all we know, it's just him posturing that his current character is better than his older one.

To note though, I still rather see Dante vs. Alucard from Hellsing Ultimate as opposed to Dante vs. Bayonetta.

edited 24th Nov '14 2:55:47 AM by Prime_of_Perfection

Only the first in its entirety, and some parts from the second.

Alucard is even worse for Death Battle because, while he no longer has his army of the ghouls, at the end he literally can't be killed unless he wants to die.

edited 24th Nov '14 5:18:07 AM by Arawn999

That will be subjected to the same approach that the Superman and Goku battle took: Pick the most recognizable incarnation of the character at their prime. For Alucard, the most recognizable incarnation at his prime is not the post-Schrodinger one.

I do know that Bayonetta's baseline power is enough that, unlike with Dante, mundane guns can't handle the stress of being fired with her powers imbuing them.

But that gets into the question of what that means. Does she have a higher baseline power than Dante, or is her power just more difficult to keep at a level the gun can handle?

That would be a bitch to animate.

... except the problem there was that there are multiple AU versions of Superman with differing power-sets, and the Post-Crisis/Pre-New 52 one was one of the most famous. It's the same incarnation of Alucard, just before and after eating Schrödinger.

Going by that logic, they may as well do Naruto vs. Ichigo right now, since the most recognizable "incarnations" of those characters aren't Six Paths Sage Mode and Dual-Wielded Zanpakuto.

edited 24th Nov '14 3:04:09 PM by Arawn999

In Death Battle, they're supposed to be presented at the peak of their power, for the most part. So with Alucard I believe it would be pre-Schrodinger because he was more powerful then.

His power is really hard to quantify though.

Unkillable vampire who soaks a lot of damage when he has a lot of souls =/= Unkillable vampire who soaks being dragged through buildings by razor wire when he doesn't.

Typical vampire weaknesses don't work on him. Dante has him in the speed and strength department, but then how do you argue, "Dante can kill all (whatever number Alucard spouted off at the end of Ultimate) souls in Alucard's body and deliver the killing blow, because he's that awesome."

Even if you use depowered Alucard, he's still somewhere between getting skewered and burnt alive, and being flung through skyscrapers like a chew toy and shrugging it off. Nobody but Anderson, and arguably not even him, since Alucard seemed to be going through an emotional crisis at the time, came even close to killing Alucard in an actual fight.

It took a literal Critical Existence Failure to end his existence, and even then he came back.

edited 24th Nov '14 9:12:56 PM by FOFD

Wouldn't the mere fact that he cannot be killed unless he wills himself to not exist make him more powerful than he was before, since he could be killed if you managed to cut down all the souls he absorbed?

Power isn't linked solely to durability. If it was, the Water Bear would be considered the most powerful life form known to man.

I wonder what mental image is going through the heads of people who don't know what that is.

Note that Ultimate Kars has access to its traits. Presumably that's how he survived in space.

Who would be a good match for Princess Twilight?

With or without the powers of Celestia, Luna, and Cadance? It wouldn't technically be outside help, as none of them need be on the battlefield with her, and none of them have any command over the powers once transferred.

edited 25th Nov '14 3:23:30 PM by Enlong

I've been considering a battle between Ike vs Guts. Sadly, my knowledge of Guts is limited to the anime, the tropes page, and some wiki's, so I don't know if Guts has that one curb stomping move. However, with what I do know, I think these two are pretty close in skill and move sets.

What do you guys think?

Guts has the strength required to swing that massive sword of his, along with the gun-arm of his. A lifetime of weapons training and fighting. No clue what Ike brings to the table.

Ike carries the blessed sword Ragnell. It has two key properties; it's unbreakable and can produce shock waves at a range of 2 tiles. His signature move is called Aether, which is a two part attack involving Sol and Luna. Taking Radiant Dawn's* description, Sol causes triple damage and heals the user for the same amount. Luna triples the user's attack and negates the enemy's defense. However, to activate Aether requires the character's skill stat divided by 2. In other words, a skill of 20 would mean that Aether has a 10% chance to activate. I can't find what Ike's skill stat is in his home game but Fire Emblem Awakening say he has a skill of 38 at level 20, so yeah.

In terms of size, while I can't find any official measurements of the two blades, I would say the Dragon Slayer is, at the very least, twice the size of Ragnell.

Ike has also been training under his father, Greil, and has worked for him in the Greil Mercenaries. I would assume Ike has been training with a sword for a good while. However, I doubt Ike has been training for as long or as frequently as Guts has.

Now, if Super Smash Bros Brawl is anything to go by, Snake states, "[Ike]'s swinging that two-handed sword around with only one hand." The sword in question is Ragnell.

-*I'm referring to Radiant Dawn instead of Path of Radiance because Sol, Luna, and Aether change between games. Sol and Luna are more devastating in RD with the setback of the activation percentage I mentioned earlier. In Po R, Aether was just skill%.

edited 25th Nov '14 5:20:54 PM by OrionAurora

Well, his Vanguard class in Radiant Dawn has a maximum Skill stat of 40, which means a 40% (or 2 in 5) chance of activating Aether.

Skill divided by 2. So a skill of 40 would be 20% activation.