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Chads? Really?
That's why I am automatically suspicious of any Americans I come in contact with unless they prove themselves to have a mental capacity better than that of a little brat's, aren't vulgar assholes and aren't lying thieves.
edited 28th Apr '17 12:11:08 AM by FireCrawler2002
Like reflections in the glass!
I have to wonder if stigmatization of nerds and the subsequent bullying in the 90s (and possibly beyond) shaped that worldview?
edited 28th Apr '17 12:16:23 AM by MorningStar1337
A wandering user
So, they're basically the ultimate Misanthrope Supreme in the world at the moment...makes me pity them a lot more.
The prevalence of toxic masculinity and the poor home environments and education of a lot of young men are what I would consider the big ones. I mean the general bigotry and casual racism/misogyny of the culture are important too but as far as what motivates the alt-right to lash out the way they do, I think it's mostly just posturing and insecurity. They don't really understand other ways of expressing masculinity other than being assholes, it's how they respond when they feel threatened, and they definitely feel threatened by all these "others" (women, people of color, etc) intruding on what they see as their space.
edited 28th Apr '17 12:17:40 AM by Draghinazzo
Oh, bother.
Maybe. Admittedly, this wasn't true in my case — I simply hated my bullies and felt intense schaudenfreude when one of the worse ones got sent to reform school.
edited 28th Apr '17 12:16:54 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
And here's another Dickens observation, though I wonder if this one is so uniquely American:
Yet the American citizen plumes himself upon this spirit, even when he is sufficiently dispassionate to perceive the ruin it works; and will often adduce it, in spite of his own reason, as an instance of the great sagacity and acuteness of the people, and their superior shrewdness and independence.
‘You carry,’ says the stranger, ‘this jealousy and distrust into every transaction of public life. By repelling worthy men from your legislative assemblies, it has bred up a class of candidates for the suffrage, who, in their very act, disgrace your Institutions and your people’s choice. It has rendered you so fickle, and so given to change, that your inconstancy has passed into a proverb; for you no sooner set up an idol firmly, than you are sure to pull it down and dash it into fragments: and this, because you directly reward a benefactor, or a public servant, you distrust him, merely because he is rewarded; and immediately apply yourselves to find out, either that you have been too bountiful in your acknowledgments, or he remiss in his deserts.
Any man who attains a high place among you, from the President downwards, may date his downfall from that moment; for any printed lie that any notorious villain pens, although it militate directly against the character and conduct of a life, appeals at once to your distrust, and is believed. You will strain at a gnat in the way of trustfulness and confidence, however fairly won and well deserved; but you will swallow a whole caravan of camels, if they be laden with unworthy doubts and mean suspicions. Is this well, think you, or likely to elevate the character of the governors or the governed, among you?’
The answer is invariably the same: ‘There’s freedom of opinion here, you know. Every man thinks for himself, and we are not to be easily overreached. That’s how our people come to be suspicious.’
edited 28th Apr '17 12:21:25 AM by Eschaton
Oh, bother.
The funny (or pathetic) thing is, the alt-right is also really naive in some respects. They latch on to "alphas" for validation the way children latch on to security blankets. Given the (lack of) emotional maturity they display, I guess that's fitting. Which also plays a part in their support for Trump, and how they panic and resort to double think and denial whenever he reveals just how little he gives a shit about them.
edited 28th Apr '17 12:26:11 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
A wandering user
Which means they're also mini Lyle Hemlocks of worse proportions.
people dosent talk about their edgerlordism because we see them as racist who trying to be edgy as excuse, when I think is the other way around: most of them are idiots who try to use racism as way look funny, to quote /tg/ again.
"Lastly, they universally confuse meme spam with wit and intelligence. Whenever a meme becomes popular on /pol/ they will rapidly drive it so far into the ground that it will come out on the other side of the planet while forcing the meme on every other board. The memes they spam tend to be childish insults that will only impress people below 18 or with an IQ below 81. It says a lot about their board when getting merged with /mlp/ during an April Fools joke improved it. "
if /pol/ were a online race their only good tactic is to spam atack over and over and over until you quick.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Do they really call people Chads? I'm sorry, but I can't stop laughing about that. That's so 70's and outdated it's hilarious.
edited 28th Apr '17 12:35:40 AM by Eschaton
Oh, bother.
They're the pathetically naive, disenfranchised, and lost youth of this generation. The kind of people who, in another time and place, would be swept up in the Red Guard or something.
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Well, yeah. Some people are just dicks.
edited 28th Apr '17 12:38:32 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
Of course, there are also those who are essentially just glorified internet trolls.
so i made a new avatar
Real cool of you to generalize an entire people there, great job
To pity someone is to tell them "I feel bad about being better than you."
Destroyer of Worlds
Yep. There was a good article about it that summed them up as Peter Pan's Lost Boys. Hurt kids who can't deal with their emotions and don't want to grow up that also follow around an asshole because they think he's cool.
Trump is rich, got a hot wife, says whatever he wants, acts macho and is funny. Plus he makes people that clash with their worldview mad. So they follow him.
Over the course of these hours, the boys start telling me how they got lost. I hear stories of strict religious parents, sexual misadventures, a feeling of drifting in a world which has not offered them a clear way to be heroes. A desperate longing for something to belong to, for adventure and friends and enemies to fight. It would be adorable if it weren’t fundamentally chilling. They are wedded to a political analysis that might as well be written in fuzzy felt. “I’m not sure how you can be a feminist and want more refugees,” one of them tells me, “because of the ways they treat women.”
They skipped this bit in the Disney movie, but, in the books, Peter kills them.
edited 28th Apr '17 12:51:51 AM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
I dont give him right but I cant blame him, I feel trump is going to have that efect on people.
and yes, the alt right are not true beliver like Spencer, they dont care about "MAGA" like rust belt or have the "we are the only way" like the current political party.
In a way the alt right are pretty much the efect of privileges: they engage in racist behivor for not other reason to asumed them or valided their self issues, they want trump because he is in heart a big troll who prank america to elect him, is the guy who just show, does something and get away with it, no questions ask, the alt right dosent give a shit about their racist belive beyond how they make them feel.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
So I'm late to that particular conversation because us Europeans need to sleep too, but I think part of the current left divide is two different approaches to 'fixing' or mitigating a race/class divide.
Orthodox Marxism has usually held that discrimination based on race and sex are ultimately rooted in the capitalist means of suppressing their sources of labor so they can run away with all the money themselves. Thus, addressing economic inequality (and by extension, class) should mitigate racist and sexist practices.
More contemporary Marxist scholars generally hold the view that this is bunk. If it was true, the refugee crisis wouldn't have been as big an electoral deal as it was and continues to be, especially not in the three most economically equal countries in the world. note Instead, one has to examine racism as culture, as social practice and performance, and as means for a state, regardless of its economic output, to suppress certain populations.
If we assume the latter is true, a focus on economic justice and expansion of benefits might not even benefit people of color because it could be stymied by racist public officials. Nor would it solve the problem of police officers essentially acting as death squads with impunity as long as the victim is black. So for some, that's a far more clear and present danger than economic inequality.
That's not to say you can't take an integrative approach. In fact, I think you should - multifaceted problems have complex, multifaceted solutions. It's just that, yes, economic progressives can come across as tone-deaf and dismissive of the concerns of minority populations.
A discussion of modern Marxist practice and culture is a whole different kettle of fish, of course.
edited 28th Apr '17 12:58:13 AM by math792d
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Oh, bother.
As Ambar put it so succintly: a rising tide may lift all boats, but a lot of people don't have boats.
the problem here is that when people talk about economic equality, think it exist in a void as people dosent benefit for it, something I have noticed(and any citizen of the states can correct me if you wanted it) is that white people tend to see themselves as "full citizen" that act the "correct way" without flaw while others must be like that 24/7, in this way with white people rules tend to be more of a guide line: is harsh but it dosent hit you, to minority you have to OBEY because the law is the law.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Oh, bother.
White privilege in a nutshell.
edited 28th Apr '17 1:05:59 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
x6 Would love to see the expressions on their faces when he inevitably dies because he is in his 70's.
Oh, bother.
Then they will simply latch on to another "alpha" willing to exploit them. As the article mentions, there are plenty of them out there.
I doubt, part of why Trump beat the other republicans is becaus ehe other were to edúcated and not bombástic enought, the alt right never stop because doing so is weakness.
Also, is more than white privilage, I call it voiding or cold racism were the focus is not kicking the other but to pleasure one self at the expense of other, when they call a Black men n*gger the point is that he them that not the meaning.
In short is the pointletness of racism, to do it just because.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Oh, bother.
When I say alpha I don't mean another Republican. Just another, as the article stated, wingnut shock jock. Someone akin to Milo or Alex Jones. A rude loudmouthed asshole whose psychotic behavior and rhetoric is mistaken for strength...those are a dime a dozen.
edited 28th Apr '17 1:28:49 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
edited 28th Apr '17 12:07:13 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised