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#176: Sep 6th 2016 at 7:49:16 AM

He called Pope Francis a sonuvabitch. This guy's an asshole.

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#177: Sep 6th 2016 at 11:02:03 AM

He's basically what happens if you let Trump run a non-superpower Democracy. Take a good hard look at the Philippine's America, that could be you if you don't elect Clinton.

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#178: Sep 6th 2016 at 5:34:10 PM

Duterte mentions that unlike Trump, he's for minority inclusion.

And there's news that the two will meet again at an agreeable date. It's not disclosed when.

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#179: Sep 6th 2016 at 7:51:07 PM

[up]x6 Face, meet palm...

Duterte's lucky that he's still able to get a bilateral meeting with the leaders of Japan, Vietnam and Singapore.

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#181: Sep 7th 2016 at 4:18:36 AM

[up]

I honestly doubt the place would even exist if it had those things.

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#182: Sep 8th 2016 at 9:01:31 PM

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/obama-tells-duterte-fight-crime-war-way-095531542.html

Among the highlights of Duterte, who was previously at odds with Obama, was showing visiting delegates in Laos black and white images of American soldiers killing Filipinos during the American occupation, which is a bit of a thorny thing in Fil-Am relations.

Although comments have highlighted America's actions in Vietnam and Iraq for instance...


Someone got this of FB:

I do not agree that President Obama has chickened out on his meeting with President Duterte at the ASEAN Summit in Laos. Even if he is a "lameduck" president, I believe he has his reasons to back out. Me thinks he is avoiding being confronted with the fact that the US is the greatest human rights violators of the Philippines. Filipino patriots have already won its war of freedom from Spain and have declared the country's independence in June 1898. But the Americans bribed Spain with $10M in Paris in December 1898 to colonize the Philippine Islands as its forward base in Asia. This was akin to two thieving oligarchs dividing their loot. Galant Filipino resistance fighters were massacred by the invading US troops and they enslaved our country for five decades. I think Obama is afraid to be reminded of this awful truth by President Duterte who is not afraid to call a spade a spade. Even if it is the mightiest country on earth it has no right to bully small nations, interfere in their internal affairs and acting as if it were the policeman of the world.

edited 8th Sep '16 11:03:53 PM by Ominae

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#183: Sep 8th 2016 at 11:49:54 PM

That's just plain old whataboutism.

Also, someone is deliberately ignoring the events of 1941-44...

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#184: Sep 9th 2016 at 1:55:31 AM

Like what dictators and other unlikeables do. Yasay and others mentioned that he wants an independent foreign policy free of foreign influence.

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#185: Sep 9th 2016 at 5:00:06 AM

> Foreign policy free of foreign influence

Toppest of keks.

edited 9th Sep '16 5:00:21 AM by TerminusEst

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#186: Sep 9th 2016 at 7:02:43 PM

Apparently the Americans are useless in giving military aid anyway. So Duterte brought up the FA-50s. Which are Korean. "They didn't have armaments" - technically, because KAI isn't the one supplying them; there's a separate contract for the bullets and missiles. That's like buying a new laptop and complaining that the manufacturer hadn't included computer games like Do TA 2.

He specifically mentions that what is needed right now are "counter insurgency weapons", and not things that are "for ceremonial use". Guess where the pistols, rifles, night-vision goggles, and mortars come from...

edited 9th Sep '16 7:07:45 PM by entropy13

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#187: Sep 10th 2016 at 3:25:43 AM

(*sighs*) I'll probably be doing a lot more Facepalms regarding Duterte's questionable actions and diplomatic blunders (Irking a long-time ally, seriously?) before his term is over... And I'm probably not the only one. sad

Shame that VP Robredo (an ally of the former Aquino administration) doesn't have a bigger voice in government. You know, the kind of voice that would figuratively say, "What the Hell, Hero?" to Duterte whenever he does/says something stupid.

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#188: Sep 10th 2016 at 7:23:49 AM

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/philippines-duterte-says-not-fan-us-plots-own-090257920.html

He really wants to make Filipino foreign policy free from outside interference. Some of the comments that I've seen mentioned the time when American forces were posted in the country that they gave little to the AFP so that they'll be dependent on them. Others are well... gonna sigh and wonder why the heck we have this guy for a president who doesn't have a clear foreign policy outlook.

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#189: Sep 10th 2016 at 6:06:47 PM

[up] Are you refering to the Yahoo comments? Logical ones aside, they're almost as bad as YouTube comments, honestly. And since Yahoo is not blocked in China (strangely enough) some comments might be from those Wumaodang doing "external publicity work" on behalf of the CPC.

OK then, Mr. Duterte...if the US decides to cut off economic investment and military aid to the PH, then who will the Filipinos turn to, aber?

The Europeans? They're currently experiencing an economic downturn and trying to contain the fallout from Brexit. Not to mention they're worrying about potential Russian encroachment after the latter's takeover of the Crimea.

The Russians, then? Of course they're not gonna do anything to antagonize their ally and biggest trading partner—China.

The richer countries in the Middle East? They're bogged down dealing with DaeshNote  in Syria and Iraq, as well as that civil war in Yemen.

Oh...the Chinese, you say? Blyat, those guys actually have steeper conditions that will be eventually bad for the country's future in the long run while they and their kin laugh all the way to the bank, on top of the general dickery they're doing in the Spratlys and Scarborough, as well as covertly supporting the illegal drug trade to the PH while saying they'll help to fight it. And of course they're Genre Savvy enough not to give the PH major military aid...

While you may raise some fair points about your War on Drugs and why the US isn't doing more to make China "cease and f**king desist" in their island-grabbing, I already feel bad for the next President who will eventually have to clean up your mess and fear for the future of the next generation of Filipinos who will have to live with it...

edited 11th Sep '16 3:39:36 AM by IncognitoNinja

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#190: Sep 12th 2016 at 5:22:25 AM

True. Even when he insists that he's doing it to prove that he's no one's puppet.

edited 12th Sep '16 5:22:34 AM by Ominae

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#191: Sep 12th 2016 at 8:39:50 PM

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/12/16/us-says-no-official-demand-from-philippines-to-pull-out-special-forces

State Department is aware of "unofficial" demands from Duterte to get American soldiers off Mindanao...

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#192: Sep 12th 2016 at 8:54:42 PM

"Unofficial". Impressive restraint from the State Department there.

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#193: Sep 13th 2016 at 2:25:11 PM

Duarte eyes Weapons from Russia and China My god the man is insane. When he says he wants to put the Philippines first I think he means he wants to put China first.

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#194: Sep 13th 2016 at 5:47:18 PM

I was pretty sure he didn't want Chinese armaments to be in a future military bid.

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#195: Sep 13th 2016 at 9:25:37 PM

To re-emphasize, the Chinese are Genre Savvy enough not to give the PH major military aid... Because they know it will undermine their unlawful actions in the Spratlys and Scarborough.

Also in that same article, "Philippine officials said Duterte wanted the Americans out of the south for fear of their safety."

Well, I know that the US forces stationed in Mindanao already know what they were getting into (and they also provide intel to their Filipino counterparts, AFAIK), but I do agree that the Abu Sayyaf potentially kidnapping US servicemen in Mindanao and using them as hostagesNote  is not a desirable scenario for both governments.

That being said, Duterte should really refrain from making statements that can easily be taken out of context... I know that the Chinese are fond of preying on out-of-context statements from other world leaders to make their regime look good.

edited 13th Sep '16 9:29:49 PM by IncognitoNinja

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#196: Sep 15th 2016 at 10:59:01 AM

A self-confessed hitman testified to a Philippine senate hearing that Duterte personally ordered extrajudicial killings when he was mayor of Davao.

MANILA (Reuters) - A former militiaman testified to a Philippine senate hearing on Thursday that President Rodrigo Duterte had personally given assassination orders while mayor of a southern city in which activists say hundreds of summary executions took place.

Speaking during a legislative investigation into Duterte’s ongoing anti-crime crackdown, Edgar Matobato, a self-confessed hit-man, told senators he personally heard then Davao city mayor Duterte give instructions to carry out extrajudicial killings.

“Our job was to kill criminals like drug pushers, rapists, snatchers,” said the 57-year-old, who said he himself had killed more than 50 people while working for a “Davao Death Squad”.

“They were killed like chickens,” he told the televised hearing, during which alleged that the president’s eldest son and current Davao vice mayor, Paolo Duterte, was a drug user who ordered the death of a hotel owner in 2014.

Rodrigo Duterte has frequently denied involvement in any vigilantism as both mayor and president. In a public speech on Thursday afternoon, he made no mention of the senate hearing.

Rights groups have documented some 1,400 suspicious killings in Davao since the early 1990s and critics say the bloody war on drugs Duterte has unleashed since taking office on June 30 bears the same hallmarks.

More than 3,500 people, or about 47 per day, have been killed in the past 10 weeks, some 58 percent by unknown assailants and the rest in legitimate police operations, according to police.

Matobato said that during the 1990s he had overheard Rodrigo Duterte order the bombing of mosques in Davao as retaliation for the attack on a cathedral.

“He ordered us to kill Muslims,” Matobato said.

Justice Secretary Vitaliano Aguirre described Matobato’s testimony as “lies, fabrications and a product of a fertile and a coached imagination”.

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Matobato told the hearing that one man was fed to a crocodile and most victims were cut into pieces and buried in a mass grave at a quarry.

He said others were thrown into the sea, their stomach slashed to prevent bodies floating to the surface, he said.

Presidential Communications Secretary Martin Andanar said he did not believe Rodrigo Duterte was capable of ordering the killings and investigations had proved him innocent.

Though the existence of Davao death squads has never actually been proven, the term is familiar in the Philippines and part of the narrative behind Duterte’s meteoric rise to the presidency as a no-nonsense crime buster determined to cure the country’s of its ills.

The United Nations and United States have expressed concern about his latest crackdown, and received profane and angry rebukes from Duterte, who has told them not to interfere.

Paolo Duterte issued a statement pouring water on Matobato’s testimony, which he said was “all based on hearsays”.

Little is known about Matobato, who volunteered to give testimony in a senate investigation led by Leila de Lima, a former justice minister who has denounced Duterte’s crackdown.

De Lima has yet to say why she did not seek to prosecute Duterte over the Davao killings when she was justice minister in the previous administration when Matobato first came to her for protection.

Matobato told the hearing he once served as a paramilitary who fought Maoist rebels and decided to tell all that he knew about the Davao death squad after being made a “fall guy” in the killing of a Davao businessman.

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#197: Sep 15th 2016 at 7:18:38 PM

This guy's credibility as a witness is being questioned by some senators and some parts of the Filipino netizen populace aside from the Dutertes for obvious reasons.

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#198: Sep 16th 2016 at 7:12:16 AM

What's jarring is that Duterte's reputation as "Dirty Harry" prior to being president is just accepted immediately. But now it's "it must be proven first!" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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#199: Sep 17th 2016 at 6:30:51 AM

Yeah. I know.

Some of the info I heard regarding the witness is that he's not an official CAFGU militiaman and he got actual details wrongs regarding events and dates...

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#200: Sep 19th 2016 at 3:00:21 AM

A recent editorial from the Inquirer that supports any move from the Americans from their occupation of the Philippines since they did apologize to the Japanese-Americans, African-Americans, the Native Americans and even to Hawaiian-Americans.


Here's the online version just in case.

edited 19th Sep '16 3:57:09 AM by Ominae

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