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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#3151: Apr 5th 2016 at 7:39:17 PM

Changing back the design will still not excuse crap characterization.

For what it matters, and I say this tentatively by only watching raw segments so far, the characters seem to be acting more like in the old anime than the manga or previous Crystal. Goofy faces galore, mostly from Minako.

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#3153: Apr 5th 2016 at 11:27:01 PM

Okay, just probably asking for spoiler: Did Sir Knight-Not-Appearing-In-This-Film, by chance, is someone already mentioned before, in story?

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#3154: Apr 5th 2016 at 11:35:35 PM

I will neither confirm nor deny that he owns a blue British police box.

Also, a brief snippet describing 2814 Gotham City:

It was a perfectly ordinary night in Gotham City. Under night's dark cloak murderers murdered, thieves thieved, hussies hustled, policemen policed, vague yet menacing government agencies vaguely menaced, and the Joker grumbled as he hunched over a desk, filling out his forms to hand to the IRS. Criminals stalked the darkness in large numbers like cowards, and offered superstitious prayers that were the spiritual equivalent of a letter with the heading 'To whom it may concern' that they not encounter The Bat during their dark and dirty deeds, and near simultaneous praying that The Bat be right there in the closest shadow to protect from all the crazy weirdos in this city, come on man, do a guy a solid, I'm not That bad, HELP!

It was a dark and forsaken place, and the only place in the United States that had imported the Japanese practice of having 'Attack of the Forces of Evil' drills (though here they called them “FUCK, IT'S THE JOKER!” drills) in all schools and businesses and God help you if you happen to be the wrong kind of business. It was the only place in the world where Mc Donald's mascot is Mayor Mc Cheese. Clown? What clown? We don't have a clown as a mascot, of course not, that would be silly and suicidal! It was a mad, twisted place, filled with all sorts of perversion, vice, madness, criminality and online piracy. Case in point, 85% of the membership of the official Twilight Fan Club was found in the city.

Still, there were little rays of hope shining through here and there. Though any Gotham citizen might be accosted at any moment by the Joker, Triads, the Joker, the Mafia, the Joker, the Russian Mob, the Joker, Scientologists, the Joker, Intergang, the Joker, musically-coordinated Italian gangs, a man who kinda looks like Heath Ledger in scary make-up, Hare Krishnas, a man that looks like Cesar Romero, corrupt cops, a man who looks like Jack Nicholson, Twilight fans, the Joker, and random Arkham escapees, the city bears the distinction of having almost no vampires, werewolves, the Fair Folk, demons, devils, daemons, youkai, ayakashi, Invaders, fallen angels, cthonic beings from beyond human memory, dread entities older than time whose visage would drive mere mortals to madness, smiling gods, extraterrestrials, Lex Corp, blasphemous existences, Great Old Ones, or other supernatural beings.

Well, except for Kevin, who works at the local radio station, but he lives in constant fear for his unholy existence and is thinking of moving out to somewhere safer for his kind, like maybe a small town in a desert in the middle of nowhere. The city does have dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within. There's a big flashlight for him on top of police headquarters. They tried to use it to boost tourism.

edited 5th Apr '16 11:41:45 PM by SCMof2814

unlikelyauthor from the forge Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#3155: Apr 6th 2016 at 5:48:21 AM

[[quoteblock]]85% of the membership of the official Twilight Fan Club was found in the city.[[\quoteblock]]

Doesn't this contradict the later claim of a lack of blasphemous existences?

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SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#3156: Apr 6th 2016 at 6:26:41 AM

The blasphemous existences disavow them and will have nothing to do with them. Even blasphemous existences have standards.

shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#3158: Apr 6th 2016 at 2:37:25 PM

So, a horrible WMG:

  • Daidouji family ancestor was actually one Kurou Daijouji, who stay in this realm as a means of vacation (Even Elder God needs vacation, too, once in a while) with Al.
  • Demonbane is buried in Gotham City, specifically, under where Arkham Asylum is standing now.

edited 6th Apr '16 2:37:57 PM by RBomber

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#3159: Apr 6th 2016 at 4:26:55 PM

Never seen the series, so no. Though I had planned to make it a running gag that Syaoran asks if every monster and demon they run into is Tomoyo's father, and finally settles for believing that she's actually the half-sister of Raven, by way of Trigon.

More snippet! Be warned, there's an overly long gag.

When the police had left, the dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within snuck into the building, whose signed helpfully informed all observers it was an antiquarian, through its spacious skylight, lightly dropping down to the floor more than twenty feet down, an easy landing for such a dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within. His eyes, which could see clearly through the darkness, noted the ransacked state of the of establishment. Making a sweep of the room, noting subtle details and general lack of bird motifs, cat motifs, weaponized plants, mocking graffiti, the gaze of the dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within fell on a book which lay open at a table, conveniently open where a page had been torn. Creeping towards it, the dark creature of named dread (which is a lot worse than unnamed dread because you know exactly what it's about) picked up he book, perusing the pages on either side of the tear. “The sheath of Excalibur… ” the dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within murmured.

From the front door of the building, which he had definitely noticed out of the corner of his eye, of course he had, a voice said, “According to lore and legend, it was a magical object of great power, surpassing that of even Excalibur itself.”

The dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within turned to face the speaker. “Hello Jason,” the tenebrous and eldritch being said in dark and unhallowed tones, as of gravel grinding against one another, a voice of unearthly terror and bleakest horror. “I assume you're not here to browse.”

"I'm a friend of the owner,” Jason said. Tall, solidly built, with a lantern-jaw of justice and a white skunk-stripe running down the middle of his dark-drown, almost reddish hair, he spoke in a cultured accent that could at best be called British. Somewhere there, anyway, despite his teeth being in much too fine a condition for him to seem like it.

“You mean that old man?” the dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within said.

"He's 32-years old,” Jason said. “He's also an expert on Arthurian lore, specifically the more obscure parts of it.”

If the dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within was surprised, the only sign was a slight widening of the eyes. It held up the book. “What's this all about?”

"Morgaine Le Fay,” Jason said, turning away slightly. “Shortly before Camelot fell, the sheath of Excalibur, Avalon, was stolen by the King's enemies to weaken him. It became lost to history. However, fifteen years ago, rumors began circulating in both archeological and esoteric circles that the sheath had been found. Since then, she has been following all rumors of the sheath, trying to track it down.”

“Why?” the dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within asked. “Why does she want the sheath?”

“I believe she intends to use its power to resurrect Camelot and place her son Mordred the Younger on the throne,” Jason said.

"O-kay… ” the dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within said slowly. “How close is she to finding it?”

"Too close,” Jason said. “I came here because my friend told me he’d managed to narrow down which archaeological dig might have been the one that found the sheath.” He looked at the mess about them. “Clearly, Morgaine was here first.”

Bissek Since: Jun, 2010
#3160: Apr 7th 2016 at 5:42:48 AM

Is this a 'what happened elsewhere while Nanoha was stressing out about going on vacation' chapter?

Also, what use would there be in tracking down the dig site where Avalon was buried? It was obviously removed at that time. Shouldn't she be trying to track down who ran or sponsored the dig, on the grounds that they'd be the parties most likely to know where it went after it was dug up?

RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#3161: Apr 7th 2016 at 6:39:41 AM

To be fair, there's several holes unexplained in this story:

  • We know that the sheath basically recovered by Einzbern somewhere before 4th war, quietly, because: a. Kiritsugu used it as catalyst in 4th war, b. There's no news about the sheath being recovered, means that the archaeological team recovered it basically, at least, not concerned about funding/ name (in mundane world), because any government sanctioned archaeological team will, at least, makes publication of it in international journal, if only to ensures they got their credit (and funding) (mom's researcher, so I know this) (fine, she's agricultural researcher. Points still stands). While our scholar here might know where the sheath was, that doesn't necessarily means he know exactly if the sheath has been removed or not.
  • Concur with above, we don't know whether Morgaine knows about 4th Grail War, or even if she knows anything about Heaven's Feel or even about Clock Tower. She might be following a snipe hunt here, and our scholar just basically an Innocent Bystander got taken because she thinks he knows something.
  • Then again, this might be not Morgaine. The condition of room implies some kind of struggle, smash-and-grab operation, the book conveniently opened at ripped page.... even Killer Croc does more subtle job when going for special dinner. So, maybe the kidnapper isn't exactly Morgaine, but someone who enough knowledge on how Morgaine, especially her magic, works, maybe the only ways he/she knows how to working anything. Someone who is basically, at heart, immature, impatient brat, Someone with Dad... Mom... Dommy Issues.
  • And, to concur with above, Morgaine doesn't get to be called Morgaine Le Fay because she's magical bully that using all-stick approach to make people do her bidding, she's cold, calculating bitch with feminine wiles that knows how to manipulate people and disguising hemlock as carrot. With her, it's more likely that said scholar goes snipe-hunting, and never be heard again, while at the same times, most people will sad, but consider said scholar just got lost somewhere and can't return to state, instead all this brutish ruckus involving local law enforcement (even if they;re coward, bribeable, or both).

Also, this might be because I'm getting old or I watch it first in mobile, but the whole "The dread and unknowable being that personifies all that you fear in the night, leaving you quaking in existential dread and terror, unable to rest easily as the guilt of all your dark deeds devour you from within" was going stale fast. Sorry.

mike21 Since: Jul, 2012
#3162: Apr 7th 2016 at 8:17:39 AM

[up][up] That gag is overly long and no longer funny but irritating. Please stop that.

Moopsball Since: Sep, 2014
#3163: Apr 7th 2016 at 11:03:36 AM

Yeah, I think you overplayed it by more than a bit.

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#3164: Apr 7th 2016 at 4:12:35 PM

Yes, this happens at about the same time as Nanoha's family vacation. The roster is changed from the TV episode, since Superman will be there.

It doesn't mean the dig site, it means the people who did the digging. Sorry if that was a bit confusing. Perahps 'expedition' might be a better word? Though to me that has connotations of going into the deep desert and being in danger from Nazis...

As to Bomber's points, in order

  • at least ONE person would know if it was removed or not: the person who sent it to the Einzberns. While there's no news, I've already said there were rumors, which means someone knew enough to talk. Might thought was that the team who went digging were mostly made up of mundanes who thought they were there to find pottery shards and arrowheads, seeded with maybe one or two people there to send the thing to the Einzbern and memory-wipe witnesses.
  • I'mputting it Morgaine doesn't know about the war. It's intentionally in the far east for a reason, and even in the Clocktower it's not well-known. Also, she's not exactly a member.
  • The condition of the room is taken from the TV episode itself. It really looked like that. We are later shown young Mordred is a little vandal, so maybe he got bored.
  • I'm also going with how she's initially portrayed in the TV show, where it's implied she broke into the guys shop, went through his notes and drained him of life. She show portrays her as being bold in her dealings with humans, in an 'I don't give a crap about them, what can they really do to me?' kind of way. She's not had contact with superheroes of this century beyond Blood, and doesn't really get how they operate. Out of touch, you might say.

Will cut down the gag to maybe 3 times then, with sporadic reappearanes as the story goes on.

edited 7th Apr '16 4:15:47 PM by SCMof2814

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#3165: Apr 7th 2016 at 6:08:03 PM

At least it's not 'go ask your mother'.

shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#3166: Apr 8th 2016 at 7:08:57 AM

Does Nanoha still use 'poozer' as a swearword, by the way? tongue

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#3167: Apr 8th 2016 at 2:21:14 PM

Not really. She's still not sure what it means. They didn't give her an explanation to her question.

shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#3168: Apr 8th 2016 at 3:19:05 PM

Other than 'Ask your mother' anyway. tongue

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Bowser3000000 Since: Feb, 2015
#3169: Apr 9th 2016 at 12:22:56 PM

Well eventually someone's going to explain the thingsto our little miss big bang You could consider include Fire Emblem Fates & Awakening would be interesting to see what would happen if our beloved Nanoha eventually arriving just in time Corrin takes the decision not to ally themselves with either Hoshido or Nohr and taking into account that Ryoma and Xander are a couple hard heads would be fun to see a 10 year old girl throwing pink beams of DOOM

Bowser3000000 Since: Feb, 2015
#3170: Apr 13th 2016 at 9:18:35 PM

A doubt Could it be possible for the Justice League of 2814 will end in the universe of Injustice as a result of the Batman resident was mistaken with a decimal?

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#3171: Apr 13th 2016 at 9:34:36 PM

Never read or played Injustice, so doubtful. What I AM wondering about, however, is this: Captain Marvel has the Wisdom of Solomon, the Strength of Hercules, the Endurance of Atlas, the Power of Zeus, the Might of Achilles and the Speed of Mercury. Does that mean 2814 Marvel should conceivably have demon-summoning primordial magecraft and 13 regenerations resurrections?

edited 13th Apr '16 9:35:38 PM by SCMof2814

RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#3172: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:10:33 AM

Not necessarily. See, while Cap Marvel got Solomon's Wisdom, it's just that, wisdom. He doesn't necessarily have magic capacity to pull stunts GO!Solomon can do, and that's okay, that just means he had to fight more... creatively. Besides, that is arguable if 2814!Solomon has any similarities with GO!Solomon.

Also, while Real Solomon can control any Ars Goetia members as easily as whacking mosquitoes, that doesn't mean Billy Batson can do the same. And considering their power, I doubt Billy would try to summon them if the situation basically doesn't go VTFUBAR regardless he summon them or not.

Same reason with Hercules' Strength. It's just that, Super-Strength. Besides, I can give argument that Servant!Hercules God Hand actually just a roundabout way to manifest Hercules 12 Labors as something tangible and can be weaponized by Master. Real!2814!Hercules probably quite a bit more awesome than that.

Of course, since Cap Marvel has Atlas' Stamina, which includes Healing Factor so good (hey, primordial Titan) that it's practically Resurrective Immortality, the point is kinda moot.

edited 14th Apr '16 4:16:33 AM by RBomber

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#3173: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:12:24 AM

Going by the Bible, Solomon's.… not very wise.

Bissek Since: Jun, 2010
#3174: Apr 14th 2016 at 5:45:04 AM

Solomon wasn't gifted with wisdom, he was gifted with being the wisest king his nation would ever have. If he was really wise, he'd have realized that he'd doomed his nation to go downhill the moment he died, as all of his successors would be less capable than him.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#3175: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:53:59 PM

Being the wisest of all rulers of ancient Israel in the Bible was kinda like being the one eyed man in the land of the blind.


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