First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
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@ Gabe: Have you been, personally, discriminated against specifically because you are white and/or Irish?
edited 20th Apr '15 2:18:46 PM by Greenmantle
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Hey, Guts The Berserker well, don't try to get him to say "to deny" in spanish.
edited 20th Apr '15 2:21:18 PM by vandro
@ Greenmantle, sure.
But only once or twice really.
Most of the time it's because I'm a woman, a single mother, bisexual, poor, dating outside my race, atheist, etc.
And to be fair, the only people who have ever been ugly to me because I am Irish were British people, so make of that what you will. 
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Notice she has yet to be discriminated because she is a polar bear.
No one fucks with polar bears.
Except global warming.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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Polar bears are whiteWATCH OUT , though.
edited 20th Apr '15 2:37:19 PM by TobiasDrake
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Actually, the bear is 1/16 Cherokee, 1/8 Irish and 1/16 Italian.
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Polar bears have black skin with clear, hollow hairs.
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I am just saying that a thick coat of blood is a sufficient deterrent to keep people from making judgments. Not that that is stopping you guys which is cool, but I will miss you.
Just saying, I dont think people might be very willing to engage in derogatory slurs when their target is liberally covered in the lifejuices of those who had made that mistake before.
Or seals, or something.
See, we're making progress, guys. New way to combat racism. Douse yourself in blood if discriminated against.
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Absolutely no relation to NLK
We do, after all, bleed red.
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Wait seal blood? Gab is a CANADIAN bear?!
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"Experts" say police shootings aren't up, just media coverage
. Of course, this CNN article doesn't actually mention who any of these "experts" are, and point out it's literally impossible to validate this claim in any fashion, but it's likely video evidence is making it harder for people to dismiss claims due to internalized racial bias:
People are realizing, "Wow, they really did shoot this guy in the back. Wow. Oh, s**t, there's some truth to this," Alexander* said. Black newspaper executives feel the videos lend credibility not only to black victims' versions of events in specific situations, but also to their versions of events historically. Where a victim's race could affect a story's perceived veracity, video permits no such prejudice.
Want to know the most common offense for which people are incarcerated? No problem. Need to know the percentage of fatal plane crashes caused by pilot error? Easy. The score of every Monday Night Football game since 1990? A breeze. But if you want to know how many times a police officer has killed someone in the line of duty, you're out of luck. Despite that the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 required the government to keep "data about the use of excessive force by law enforcement officers," no such database exists. A study published 14 years ago sought to nail down numbers, but its author conceded to CNN that only 564 of the nation's 18,000 law enforcement entities participated.
Don't expect the videos to be a panacea for the violence, said Klinger* , who counts police use of force among his research interests. Yes, video can refute a lie, but just as police have lied about suspects, suspects have lied about police as well. "Most of the time when there's video, it demonstrates the officer did the right thing," he said. "I think it's going to cut both ways. ... We're going to have a bunch of cried wolf."
It's also important to remember that there are far more good police officers than bad ones, and just like the media has failed to tell the stories about police violence against minorities, "there are officers out jumping in front of bullets and doing the right thing, and those stories aren't being told as well." "Don't paint your whole police department as bad guys," Alexander said. "I support police, but the bad ones, we need to go in and pull those guys out. We need police, and police need community, and there's a lot of good cops doing good work out there everyday."
The lack of data about how many people are killed by police is very suspect.
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That seems accurate, honestly.
As I mentioned in the law enforcement thread, not being harassed, beaten, and sometimes murdered by police for no good reason has been a White Privilege for a long time in this country. Cops have been abusing their power against minority groups for as long as we've had minorities, which is pretty much since the foundation of the United States.
We've heard the complaints for decades but it's nothing we've ever experienced, so it sounds unthinkable. "Those wacky blacks are giving into that Black Rage again, and looking for scapegoats!" But now that cameras are everywhere and people can actually present irrefutable evidence of the events that transpire, it's becoming harder and harder to roll our eyes and wait for the minorities to stop whining so we can go back to basking in the relative ease of being a white person in the United States.
It's not unlike the benefit of doubt that makes rape prosecution so difficult: the logic train of, "Well, he's a good person, so he wouldn't do that." "He's a cop. He wouldn't do that. Stop making stuff up, minorities!" The cops haven't changed, and where they have, it's actually been for the better; what has changed is our ability to ignore this glaring problem in our society.
edited 21st Apr '15 7:12:37 AM by TobiasDrake
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Well even if they are not up, any publicity they get is good, even if it is more. The acceptable number of them is 0. Not "less".
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Native American actors walk off set of Adam Sandler movie after insults to women and elders
edited 23rd Apr '15 8:09:54 PM by Aprilla
So, the script is shit and the producers are dicks.
Just another normal day at Happy Madison, I suppose.
(oh, Steve Buscemi, why did you joined this?)
edited 23rd Apr '15 8:22:31 PM by Quag15
I sympathize with the Native American actors, but my first thought when reading it was, "Have you ever seen an Adam Sandler movie?" I mean "respectful depiction (of other cultures)" and Adam Sandler are not two things that often go together.
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Always gotta have hope I suppose. And money is money.
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Well, if I were them, I would have walked off the set, too. Actually, I wouldn't have walked on, because it's Adam Sandler.
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Let's keep reminding ourselves that some folks are not economically blessed and joined initially because they needed money or an opportunity to do networking. Even in a piece of shit Madison movie.
The bar for tolerating shit becomes higher than usual when in that situation. So, they probably had some early humiliations, but endured it. Until things reached a breaking point.
edited 24th Apr '15 6:52:29 AM by Quag15
This.
And if nothing else, maybe they signed onto something that was initially benign but was being changed to be in a bad direction or something.
I'm willing to give them a chance. People gotta eat and we don't know a lot of what happened beforehand and what not.
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I agree. Sorry if I came off as insensitive. It also struck me that there's no reason "Western parody" even "Western parody by Adam Sandler" "has to" involve jokes mocking Native Americans.
On another note, wanted to complain about something I keep seeing on Tumblr- people attacking Avengers: Age of Ultron for white-washing Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver because they are "supposed to" be half-Roma, half-Jewish.
They have that ancestry in the comics because they were retconned to be the children of Magneto (and the Roma ancestry has a heavy Ethnic Magician connotation in the case of Scarlet Witch). The MCU doesn't have rights to X-Men characters, and so they aren't Magneto's children in the films. Also, the Scarlet Witch and Quicksiler of the movie are introduced working for HYDRA (making them sort of composite characters with Fenris), and so I would think having them be Roma/Jewish would actually be more, not less offensive.
What I think makes the complaint particularly weird (and why I think it comes down to hatred of Joss Whedon- with which I can sympathize) is that AFAIK no one criticized the fact that the Quicksilver of the X-Men movies isn't Roma/Jewish or that Magneto's actor isn't Jewish (for that matter, I don't think any Eastern European character in the MCU is actually played by an Eastern European actor).
Michael Fassbender is Irish/German and speaks German fluently. So he is at least closer than most in terms of being able to do the role.
Honestly, if there wasn't so much whitewashing and gender discrimination in movies in general, I don't think this would be that big of a deal. but because of people finally having enough of it, people are starting to get on to even less clear cut examples.
Like with the Escher Girls. A lot of their work is true to their point: it doesn't have to be drawn like that.
But some of their examples I can tell are pulled out of a context that they didn't have the education to know that it was supposed to be that way or the artist has a style that everyone looks odd. These are rare, but then again, I study this so of course I would know more about this than the average person.
I rather them make the point and be asked to reconsider though than to have the point never brought up.
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