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Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.

Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.

Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#19676: Oct 31st 2017 at 12:36:00 AM

Netflix ends House of Cards amid Kevin Spacey allegations

Granted, Netflix claims that the decision was made months ago. This season will apparently be the last.

Some people on social media are calling for the show to be renewed, but with Robin Wright as the sole lead.

The more I think about what Spacey did and said, the more angry I become. The whole myth that gay people pose a threat to children was and is still used to justify persecuting them. The last thing this world needs is some predatory asshole giving homophobes more ammunition.

edited 31st Oct '17 12:42:58 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhilosopherStones Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm from The North (lots of planets have them) Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm
#19677: Nov 1st 2017 at 5:29:24 PM

House of Cards with just Claire Underwood.

Eh, I'd be up for it.

GIVE ME YOUR FACE
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#19678: Nov 1st 2017 at 6:44:30 PM

Apparently they’ve suspended filming of the final season, so it may just end as is, that or they’re doing big rewrites so that Spacy doesn’t have to be involved in any way for even a single hour of filming.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#19679: Nov 1st 2017 at 9:04:54 PM

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/others-come-forward-with-harassment-allegations-against-kevin-spacey_us_59fa0172e4b0d1cf6e922ce7?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Other people have been coming forward with allegations against Spacey, some choosing to remain anonymous. This man is an outright monster.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#19680: Nov 1st 2017 at 11:17:53 PM

That's really disturbing, just how casual it all seems to be.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#19683: Nov 9th 2017 at 6:52:24 PM

Cross posting with US Politics

Gay man denied a marriage license by Kim Davis wants to run against her

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/11/09/gay-man-denied-a-marriage-license-by-kim-davis-wants-to-run-against-her/

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#19684: Nov 9th 2017 at 7:49:53 PM

I hope he gets to run against and beat her at the polls.

I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#19685: Nov 9th 2017 at 8:10:21 PM

[up] Yeah, here's hoping the recent election kicked off a trend of bigots being unseated by people they targeted.

A mayor who tried to keep refugees out of his city got unseated by a refugee.

A homophobe who tried to push a bathroom bill got unseated by a transgender woman.

A misogynist who posted an insulting meme after the Women's March got unseated by a woman who ran against him because that meme pissed her off.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Zendervai Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy from St. Catharines Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
#19686: Nov 9th 2017 at 8:31:33 PM

It helps that Kim Davis isn’t actually very popular in the area that votes for her now. All those people who supported her? They came from elsewhere. The town she lives in actually mostly found the whole kerfuffle really annoying because it turns out that she hugely slowed down the entire office due to her grandstanding.

Someone who comes along and runs on the platform of “I’ll actually do the damn job by the rules of the law and not grandstand illegally” would probably do pretty well.

Not Three Laws compliant.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
#19688: Nov 10th 2017 at 8:18:11 AM

Alan Moore?

Where there's life, there's hope.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#19689: Nov 10th 2017 at 8:19:31 AM

No, Roy Moore. Former Alabama Supreme Court justice (kicked off twice, for deciding that the law doesn't apply when it disagrees with his personal religious views), current nominee for Senator, and all round religious fanatic.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#19690: Nov 10th 2017 at 8:30:47 AM

And as that article pointed out, a possible sexual predator. Several women have come forward accusing him of making advances on them, one still below the age of consent in Alabama at the time. The age of consent in Alabama is 16.

[down]Ah, that's right. Fixed.

edited 10th Nov '17 10:07:19 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#19691: Nov 10th 2017 at 10:00:38 AM

I thought only one was actually below the age of consent. The rest were above, if still sixteen.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#19692: Nov 10th 2017 at 10:04:45 AM

[up]One was 18 and had a several-month-long relationship with him. <shudders> Seriously, with that record, whether she knew it or not at the time — so not healthy.

And, these are only three now-women The Post was able to dig up in just a few weeks. Argues strongly that there are quite a few more out there. <_<

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#19693: Nov 10th 2017 at 11:11:09 AM

I can't begin to describe how horrified it makes me that a person who thinks that America's influence is evil for "exporting homosexuality", that a gay parent shouldn't have unsupervised access to their child and that Obergefell vs Hodges was worse than slavery could get elected to the 2nd most powerful institution in the US.

It would be a big blow to LGBT rights and, given how much I'd like to see this ideology out of the main sphere, the reason why Christian Conservatism bothers me much more than Trumpism these days.

edited 10th Nov '17 11:19:49 AM by Grafite

Life is unfair...
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#19694: Nov 12th 2017 at 7:42:23 PM

[up] I've already been seeing posts on Facebook and Twitter by people who would rather vote for a child molester than a Democrat. Not to mention all the GOP faithfuls actually trotting out Bible verses to defend his actions.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#19695: Nov 27th 2017 at 8:36:07 PM

X-post from US Politics:

Finally some good news: [1] a judge has affirmed the injunction against the Trans military ban, and clarified that the military cannot kick the can down the road for their enlistment until this thing is settled.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#19696: Feb 7th 2018 at 9:37:41 PM

Bad news and good news.

The Bad: A judge has ruled in a baker's favor with regards to a gay wedding cake.

The Good(ish): The judge specifically restricted the ruling to religious events, and said that sexual orientation cannot be used to deny other services.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42963632

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#19697: Feb 7th 2018 at 10:25:17 PM

Weddings aren't inherently religious though. A lot of gay people are atheists, and so the ceremony wouldn't be a religious one. And that baker can't tell if it's a religious wedding or not.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#19698: Feb 7th 2018 at 10:41:49 PM

I suspect that this is going to be appealed, with [up]grounds being (part of) the argument.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Adannor Since: May, 2010
#19699: Feb 8th 2018 at 2:01:38 AM

I don't see the wedding being religious from the article linked. It actually sounds more like they consider the cake itself a form of expression, and allow to refuse to express in support of something they disagree with.

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#19700: Feb 12th 2018 at 4:45:24 PM

Despite the successes many states have had in legalizing equality in marriage, those rights haven't extended to things like parental leave when adopting a child. Not to worry though, soon the Trump administration will make sure straight parents don't have that right either. Yay equality! Full article text 

Kristyn and her longtime partner Whitney both work multiple restaurant jobs in downtown Detroit. The couple moved back to their hometown in 2014 after finally deciding to foster a child, fulfilling a decadelong dream. As for many new parents, everything changed when their daughter came into their lives. But as Kristyn says, “Unfortunately, because of our jobs, not always in the ways we’d hoped.”

Like many hourly wage employees, the couple were not able to take family leave when they began fostering their daughter as an infant. And, like many LGBTQ people, they do not have any supportive biological family to rely on for help. After getting matched with their daughter four years ago, Kristyn and Whitney turned to chosen family—accepting friends and loved ones—for child care support. Both parents took four days off after getting matched through the foster system before returning to work for fear of losing their incomes altogether. Their daughter, now 3, attends Head Start, a program that provides comprehensive early childhood education to low-income children, while they work.

Despite the broadening conversation around parental leave and employee rights, low-income LGBTQ parents and workers are still largely left out. This may be due in part to the perception that stories like Kristyn and Whitney’s are uncommon. They’re not. The Williams Institute estimates that more than 111,000 same-sex couples are raising children in the U.S., which doesn’t account for LGBTQ-identified single parents or straight transgender parents. On top of that, Pew Research Center data point to an increase in recent years in the number of blended and non-nuclear families, two models especially common among LGBTQ families living at or below the poverty line. Low-income LGBTQ parents are not only a growing population, they’re also some of the most in need of parental and family leave—and still the least served by current policies.

Of the dismal 14 percent of civilian American workers with access to paid leave, those who take it are likely to be married and high-wage earners. Parents with access to paid leave are likely to be biological parents and part of an opposite-sex marriage.

These numbers paint a grim picture for LGBTQ parents and workers. Here’s why.

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer people are more likely to be low-wage earners than non-LGBTQ people. As a whole, they’re more likely to be living at or below the poverty line than non-LGBTQ people (transgender people are are twice as likely, and trans women of color four times as likely). Yet LGBTQ parents are also four times more likely to adopt and six times more likely to foster children than their straight counterparts. LGBTQ parents are more likely to be hourly employees and less likely to have supportive biological family than different-sex parents—all factors that translate to narrow access to family leave.

To compound these statistics, research shows LGBTQ people are less likely to be married and less likely to believe in marriage than their straight counterparts. For those who see marriage as counterintuitive to the fight for true equality, the benefits it offers may be completely out of reach. Family and workplace benefits associated with marital status, like legal relationship to children and access to parental leave among others, are then often out of reach to many LGBTQ people.

In her latest book, How All Politics Became Reproductive Politics, Laura Briggs, professor and chair of the women, gender, and sexuality studies department at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, argues that marriage rights for the LGBTQ community were not the movement’s first-choice solution. But in lieu of more comprehensive family rights for all, LGBTQ activists of the ’70s and ’80s began seeking marriage rights for same-sex couples as a more attainable alternative to broader class and racial equity.

Briggs says the fight for marriage equality then became the face of the LGBTQ struggle, an idealistic goal that, if achieved, might solve all the problems caused by discrimination and marginalization. But as it turns out, broadening the legal rights for conjugal couples just barely enough to include same-sex couples does not solve the wide spectrum of challenges LGBTQ people face.

Chief among the problems it does not solve is workers’ rights, particularly for low-wage earners. Obergefell v. Hodges, the 2015 case that resulted in nationwide marriage equality, fell short of addressing workers’ needs, as evidenced by the continuing struggles of families like Kristyn and Whitney’s. In the wake of the Obergefell ruling, many LGBTQ parents who did not wish to get married or couldn’t afford to do so turned instead to the now–25-year-old Family and Medical Leave Act for protection.

But in many cases, the FMLA de facto excludes low-income LGBTQ workers. The law provides 12 weeks of unpaid leave for employees who have worked at least 1,250 hours within the 12 months prior to leave. This discounts many workers in hourly wage jobs, who are more likely to be LGBTQ people, and have high turnover rates. Those who are eligible may only take leave to care for themselves or for immediate biological or legal family members, and because LGBTQ parents are more likely to be caring for youth to whom they have no biological or legal relation, the chances of securing leave for child care purposes are even slimmer. The law does grant access for foster parents and any caretaker “who actually has day-to-day responsibility for caring for a child regardless of legal relationship.” However, it also leaves open room for employers to interpret “day-to-day responsibilities” differently, making cases like Kristyn and Whitney’s common.

Beyond the complicated web of rules and requirements to qualify for FMLA, the problem remains that leave granted under FMLA is unpaid. Low-income workers may very well not be financially able to take unpaid time off regardless of daily schedules. For LGBTQ employees facing a slew of obstacles on top of compensation, the options are few.

In an interview, Briggs says her own experience helping a colleague who is caring for an 18-year-old family member facing a medical crisis was particularly challenging. The colleague, who is queer herself and has been caring for her uncle’s queer child for 10 years, isn’t eligible for FMLA because her only relation to the kid is “cousin.” “[The] FMLA is a great example of why Obergefell didn’t get queer folks comprehensive family rights,” she says.

Broadening access to family leave through the FMLA or whatever national paid leave policy Republicans are currently courting support for will take a robust reimagining of the lived realities of workers across the spectrum—those caring for nonbiological children, those without marital benefits, and those navigating the harsh realities of hourly wage work.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

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