A single unified LGBTQ+ conversation

I dunno, I've never seen a good ending to the "I can change the assholes" story. I mean, people have neverending arguments about the definition of a trope, so a more heated issue like this will definitely have people too close-minded and set in their opinions to even consider changing.

Even with bulletproof logic—the problem with this kind of person is that (A) they don't subscribe to normal logic, and (B) they don't care about logic; they are convinced that they are right and that to even consider that they might be wrong would be subversive and dangerous, so they shut out all opposing viewpoints.

Hence the glitter and flying and pee.

edited 5th Mar '15 10:53:43 AM by SolipSchism

"so a more heated issue like this will definitely have people too close-minded and set in their opinions to even consider changing."

True, but that does not applies to everyone. For example, many of the critics of the Brazilian Monarchy demanded a Republic to come, and some even wished to kill the Royal Family, but a lot of them quickly started wishing for the stability of the Empire to come back a few years into the Old Republic of Brazil.

Well. That's more a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. Americans are always bitching about the government, even when we get exactly what we were just calling for.

But to expand on your analogy, it seems the only way to really get them to reexamine their views would be to shove the issue in their face. Force them to interact with gay people to see that, incredibly, gay people are actually human. Or abolish anti-gay legislation and watch with amazement as society doesn't crumble. Neither of which is a particularly easy feat, of course.

edited 5th Mar '15 11:29:46 AM by SolipSchism

Given that Daryl Davis accomplished something similar to that...

"Well. That's more a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. Americans are always bitching about the government, even when we get exactly what we were just calling for."

It's more a case of Be Careful What You Wish For, and Gone Horribly Wrong in what I brought up, honestly. Mind you, it can also be classified as Gone Horribly Right for the people who were most benefited by the new regime.

edited 5th Mar '15 11:49:19 AM by SaintDeltora

So Is Silence Of The Lambs transphobic or not, no one seems to agree

One explicit point made by Hannibal Lecter and one that the author tries to hit home is that Buffalo Bill isn't trans at all, but wants to be his mother and doesn't desire to be just *A* woman, but a very specific woman. It's too subtle a difference for most, but given that Lecter is a psychiatrist and in-story has written for various psychiatric journals and how it's made plain what Buffalo Bill is and what he isn't from what Lecter says, it's a fairly obvious conclusion and one which most just can't see.

edited 6th Mar '15 3:32:58 AM by RatherRandomRachel

In addition to , Clarice points out that transsexuals are not usually prone to violence and that Buffalo Bill got turned down by all the major medical centers because he wasn't actually trans.

Personally I never considered the book/movie to be transphobic. They both have a lot of points where they explicitly say Buffalo Bill isn't trans and shouldn't be taken as a representative of a trans person. I think a better question to ask is "Do most people even care about the distinctions made or do they just filter them out?"

I find saying that someone "isn't actually" trans to be problematic to be honest. Yes they're insane and violent but that doesn't necesarily preclude them from being trans.

Like the point where they call trans people "passive"

I don't know though, the movie on the whole really doesn't seem too offensive.

(Also, there needs to be a Space Jam remix called "Silence of the slams")

edited 6th Mar '15 3:44:17 AM by ElectricNova

Yes that's true but some people just aren't trans though. It kind of sounds like you're trying to eat your cake and have it too by asking if the story is transphobic because it (allegedly) portrays that kind of person in a very negative way but then you're also saying that it's not fair to say that somebody isn't trans just because they're violent and have severe mental problems.

I just took "passive" to mean "non-violent" because of the context in which it was said.

Can you clarify the first sentence? It kind of sounds exclusionary towards gender non-binary people (me) but given the context and the fact that this is an internet forum I should give people the benefit of the doubt. I just don't want any misunderstandings.

Thank you.

edited 6th Mar '15 4:50:52 AM by AqueousBunnies

I basically just meant that some people don't fall in the trans spectrum. If somebody is agendered or genderqueer, etc that's cool but not what I was referring to. What I was referring to was more having heard from some people who were unsure of whether they were trans or not but after taking some time to figure it out, came to the conclusion that they weren't trans (that is to say they concluded they were cis but were just previously unsure about their identity because of x, y, z factors).

You also have some like me who can't decide if they are trans or not because of what else happens in their mind.

In my case for example I also have paranoia in there, which may or may not be a part of my anxiety or could even be all of it, and with it a certain depression. Thing is, because of how I was raised my perception of gender is quite different to most others, and it is hard for me to ask who or what I am, simply because everything I have makes it a huge mess.

I can't work out if I fall into the "don't know" category or something else. >.<

Don't forget, Buffalo Bill was largely modeled after murderer/grave robber Ed Gein, which is where his obsession with becoming his mother was taken from.

edited 6th Mar '15 6:05:21 AM by TAPETRVE

Along with multiple other people...

Ugh, i can take or leave my body but i fucking hate my voice.

*hug*

I think I know the feeling. >.<

goes to Chinatown during New Years

Holy I don't even waaaaaaa So crowded

edited 7th Mar '15 8:56:12 PM by Aqueos

Isn't it always crowded there? -freezes Aqueos in a wall of ice-

No, not at like TEN IN THE FRICKEN MORNING. They closed off the street and it was still madness.

edited 7th Mar '15 9:30:54 PM by Aqueos

Major holidays tend to make things more crowded. This sounded less Captain Obvious in my head.

It's not that I wasn't expecting people, just I wasn't expecting so many T.T Oh well. Back to work.

edited 8th Mar '15 1:27:55 PM by Aqueos

Hey, lemons!

Hey Hopey it's sunny where I am.

Somehow, that cursed yellow sphere you all call the sun is gracing Seattle with its presence.