What IS this?: Megaphone Hanging

Well, there seems to be lots of confusion in this thread regarding what this trope is actually about, and whether it is distinct. I suppose we could do a Crowner between (1) merge with Shout-Out, (2) keep and rename, and (3) do nothing.

...If a Lampshade lands in the forest and nobody notices, does it make a shout?

As I said before, the trope was originally about lampshading shout-outs, hence the "Megaphone" in the name. And if we're going to agree to disagree, we can expand the trope to include both definitions.

^ But the two suggested definitions are incompatible with each other.

On one hand, you have an ordinary Shout-Out that receives a Lampshade Hanging, like the OOTS example.

On the other, we have Inspiration Nod.

^^ lampshading shout outs or lampshading-shout outs? Because what you've been talking about before that, it was never about that.

In either case, work A makes a reference to work B (be it in a single scene whatever) and then work A make it known that it's referenced work B. On that base level, these are similar tropes.

Work A making a reference to work B is a Shout-Out. Work A pointing out that it's doing so is a Lampshade Hanging. Under that definition, this trope seems to be only The Same But More.

The way I see it if someone makes a one liner like "Our Magic is not omnipotent... a little bit of courage is the real magic." then someone else goes "Stop quoting Negima!" It would be this trope.

A Shout-Out then flat out stating its a Shout-Out.

Definition crowner (I'm not sure how best to phrase the "inspiration nod" definition, but here goes):

• https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/MegaphoneHanging

Oh you didnt have to go with my example there it was just a fake example. This pic is more along the lines of a real example (the Bleep-D is Initial D due to Writing Around Trademarks)

[1] Then there is this which does not drop the KFC name but the Imagine Spot in the final panel and the words on the next page makes it quite blatant that the characters know it and even they think its weird.

edited 17th May '11 8:01:59 PM by Raso

Bumping for more votes.

If people are agreed that a "megaphone hanging" is the lampshade hanging of a shoutout, then the next questions would be (1) is this sufficiently distinct from Lampshade Hanging in general, and do we need to split the LH page by which kind of trope is being lampshaded; and (2) is "megaphone hanging" a good name, or do we have a better suggestion?

Bump.

Crowner only has one result with positive votes. Can we call that the winner?

...probably. At the least, the page could use some editing. Note that the crowner option with the most negative responses was the definition actually in use on the page.

Isn't the "by means of" definition just the other one but more specific?

I love the option that starts "the definition is really pretty simple," then goes on to require seven paragraphs to explain. I might vote it up just for the humor value. :)

^ I laughed pretty hard at that one myself. Particularly that it contains a pointer to "the long version"

On the whole it looks like we've got a clear winner in both raw numbers (14-5) and approval ratio (2.80:1); the crowner has been up for nearly two weeks; and I haven't noticed any real movement on it in the last few days.

I'd say we have both stabilized and consensus. Go for it.

Locking the crowner.

edited 6th Jun '11 4:12:38 PM by Madrugada

So wait, we have the definition that's on the page, the results of the previous discussion, the first namer of the trope and first example and the laconic and the example used in the description and the guy who wrote half of the aforementioned stuff and they all say one thing but the crowner says the other so we're going to have to remove the laconic and completely rewrite the description and remove several of the examples, including Pink Bunny Slippers itself I presume.

Now, I would also think that averting this would involve having a thread in which I explain my thought on the page and convince tropers like Madge about what the page is and what makes it unique and then convince them to rename it a certain way and write it a certain way and get everyone to agree in the thread but I already did that.

According to Wikipedia, Consensus decision-making is a group decision making process that seeks not only the agreement of most participants but also the resolution or mitigation of minority objections. So to deal with my minority objection, could I just make Inspiration Nod? It would have the main text that I wrote and the examples that I wrote. Alternatively, some heavy drinking.

I'm all for it.

Isn't there an unspoken rule that crowner options should be of comparable length to each other? Not only does option #3 stick out like a sore thumb, it's basically saying just "keep the article defined as it is now".

edited 6th Jun '11 5:47:33 PM by Stratadrake

^ No, not particularly. If someone feels the need to write a seven paragraph-long explanation and call it "the simple version" they can. They're probably torpedoing any chance it might have of winning, but they can do it.

Why are we still going on about this? Yes, the 3rd option was funny in a bizarre kind of way, but it's not like it won the crowner. Is there any reason we can't lock up this thread now?

The thread stays open until the work is done. Past experience has indicated that locking the thread before the work is done often results in it not being done at all.

If we're making Inspiration Nod a separate trope I don't see why Megaphone Hanging even has to exist in any form. If the definition of Megaphone Hanging is "A Shout-Out followed by a Lampshade Hanging of the Shout-Out" then it's just two tropes in close proximity to each other, making it The Same But More Specific for trope usage.

If you have an example of a Laser Blade that is carried like a Blade Below the Shoulder, even if you have several examples of it, you don't need to create Laser Blade Below The Shoulder, it's just two tropes being used together.

Edit: I'd also like to note that most of the CURRENT examples under Megaphone Hanging fit Inspiration Nod's purported description.

edited 7th Jun '11 9:02:16 AM by savage