Okay but he still gleefully murdered a whole bunch of innocent people.
...whoops? It's not like he knew they were. but yeah that still is pretty yuck.
edited 15th Dec '17 6:23:08 PM by CountofBleck
He murdered someone at the very beginning who wasn't a confirmed Malfested and even told him outright "Oh well, not like anyone can confirm it" when the man begged his innocence.
And this is the face they drew him with.
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That goes beyond being misguided.
edited 15th Dec '17 7:43:27 PM by Ryuhza
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I kinda feel like the caption "High Impact Sexual Violence" would go well with that.
God he really is worse than I had previously remembered.
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Raphael is surprisingly relevant, but you also forgot about Cervantes, Zasalamel, & Algol. Cervantes for Soul Edge, Zas for III, & Agol for IV. Unless you really want to be nitpicky there's also Ivy for being the daughter of Cervantes & collaborating with Nightmare (Siegfried posses) & Astaroth, Lizardman (Aeon) for being connected to Sophitia's God (Hephaestus) & serving Astaroth's cult thing, Astaroth for serving with Nightmare, & Mitsurugi for having an inconclusive match with Algol.
Knight Templar characters are kinda tricky to fix in general. I just think completely erasing the character is kind of dumb is all. Also I dont think I'll ever get a more opprotune time to post this so....
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I find it funny that in Patroklos' Memetic Loser entry, it was written 'Sophitia saw the future and decided not to allow such monstrosity to exist.' Well, it got me thinking... what if it was Rothion who, through inexplicable manner, DID so instead and when Sophitia was about to propose, he was like, "Sorry, Sophie, but we can't be together! I just had this bad vision by even Hephaestus that our spawn will be... will be.... Brrr...!!"
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Well, that would certainly rescue Rothion from the Scrappy Heap.
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I was wary because of the preview image, but it got better.
And now I'm binging some of his short videos.
edited 16th Dec '17 6:31:55 AM by wanderlustwarrior
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ProZD is god's gift to mankind.
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To answer a question from some time ago, Zasalamel is not technically considered from sub-Saharan Africa. He's speculated to be from what is now Iraq, despite being the series' only "black" character. Likewise, the characters from Fygul Cestemus (Astaroth, the Lizardmen, the Assassins, Ashlotte) are considered from Iran, as that is where it is based. And since Rock is from England...
The series currently counts zero characters from the Americas, Africa, or Australia/Oceania. In fact, outside of the one dark-skinned human and some non-humans, every canon characternote of determinable originnote is either from what is now:
- Western Europe (United Kingdom, Italy, Germany, France, Greece, Spain), or
- Eastern Asia (China, South Korea, Japan, and the Philippines).
Ten to twelve contemporary countries over the course of the series, with eight debuting in the first game (SE), one in the second (Iran in SC), two in the third (France and Philippines in 2), one in the fourth (Iraq in 3), and none in the last two. Not really transcending much of the world there...
edited 16th Dec '17 2:34:58 PM by wanderlustwarrior
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Depends how its done, I think. There's plenty of stories about heroes having to kill someone they'd really rather not, and people feeling betrayed because people they trusted sided against them. Could make for a moving tragedy if done right, could be incredibly edgy if done wrong.
Could even be bittersweet, if a new version of Pat & Pyrrha come to exist, and have much better lives.
God said "Let there be light", and there was light I guess
God said "Let there be Pro ZD" and there was much rejoicing
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That just people given into the hatedom & as far I'm concern that's just petty. I hate Patroklos as much as the next guy, but the answer isn't always just do a Take That, Scrappy!. Granted I'm given way too much credit for a fighting game lore but there's so much you can do with the material to begin with.
Actually for that matter if they really won't use any characters from V, that some major pussy move on their part. They went all in & now they want backpedal? That's absurd.
I'll be the 1st to say I don't like where the new timeline is starting. I rather not play a loli Talim, thank you very much. If there's any reason why there should a time travel shenanigan it's should primary so don't play loli Talim. I didn't like Soul Calibur becoming more like Street Fighter & I sure as hell don't need it to become more like Aracana Heart .
Not sure where you're getting loli!Talim from. If she's in, I wouldn't put it past them to bring her and other characters back "as we remember them" instead of taking note of how old they were supposed to be at the time this reboot/retelling occurs.
Or at least I hope that's what happens if Talim comes back. I'd think even Bamco would know not to put in a character younger than Talim into the game without expecting some sort of backlash.
Also, thanks for answering me. I've taken note of it.
edited 16th Dec '17 2:34:43 PM by Customer
Again, it depends how its done. It's entirely possible to cast a character as a villain, and to give him a level of depth and complexity. A character thinking they're doing the right thing, the necessary thing, only for others to see them as a villain, is something you can get a lot of pathos from. Putting Patroklos in the antagonist's role, and even having him ultimately killed by Sophitia, does not automatically need to be bashing the character.
Like, I don't think the Patroklos haters are the only ones being a little blinded here. On the one hand, yeah you have people who hate him, and want to see him torn down. On the other, you have people who seem to view any idea where he isn't redeemed to be bashing, when it isn't necessarily.
It's entirely possible to have a character as the villain, without bashing them. It all depends on how they are actually written.
Bashing would be to make them one-note, a completely one-dimensional character, or to make them an ineffectual joke; or both.
You know in all this discussion I completely overlooked a very important detail about SCVI: It's already 70% complete. With that in mind whats the most likely release window? spring, early summer?
I personally think it'd be best to release it just after EVO 2018 since there's no way it'll be out before the tournament's window of inclusion.
...You don't think they would try to put in a brnd spanking new game weeks before EVO into EVO...would they?
Well they kinda did for Tekken 7 but
Tekken 7 was at least in arcades at the time. SC 6 won't have any official versions of the game available.
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Best release date is around my birthday (in the late summer).
The sad, REAL American dichotomy
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Like, I don't think the Patroklos haters are the only ones being a little blinded here. On the one hand, yeah you have people who hate him, and want to see him torn down. On the other, you have people who seem to view any idea where he isn't redeemed to be bashing, when it isn't necessarily.
It's entirely possible to have a character as the villain, without bashing them. It all depends on how they are actually written.
Bashing would be to make them one-note, a completely one-dimensional character, or to make them an ineffectual joke; or both.
Yes, but the problem is that the game was trying to establish that Pat is the guy we gotta follow & he's damn near unlikable to the point he's feel like a Hate Sink. Worse is that he doesn't he feel like a good villain either. Maybe if they were actually committed to making him a villain that would've been different story, but he they didn't.
Again, I would be far more interested in Patroklos going the Atonement route, since at that point we can witness a genuine struggle for Pat's journey. Not to mention if it true what they say about Patroklos feeling completely inferior & a failure compare to his mother than that just makes his journey even more intriguing.
Or at least I hope that's what happens if Talim comes back. I'd think even Bamco would know not to put in a character younger than Talim into the game without expecting some sort of backlash.
Where's the proof for that? If it takes place a years before SC 1 then that would mean Talim is going to 10 years old. From what I can tell, more than often than not Japanese developers prioritize feedbacks domestically rather globally. So it wouldn't surprise if make Talim 10 years old. Feel free to correct me on that because that's sounds disturbingly racist on my part. :/
Alpha pat already hates Pre alpha pat. As soona s Nightmare tells him the Malfested he sent him to kill were all innocents, he's horrified. And once he realizes Soul Calibur was sing him, pyrrha and Pat both attempt to destroy both swords. And even though Pyrrha is still malfested, he vows to never abandon her again.
Basically it's a redemption story of a Knight Templar who was blinded by hate of the Malfested (who in his eyes took everything away from him), then manipulated again by someone who was suposed to be the holiest of holies.
edited 15th Dec '17 6:20:28 PM by CountofBleck