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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#76: Aug 10th 2015 at 6:18:47 AM

Wakaba keepng Saionji at home as practically a pet, and his incredibly cute, humble, and even scurrilous behaviour, strongly reminds me of Mabel and Several Timez.

Ah, imagine if Utena had been written in the style of GF...

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#77: Aug 10th 2015 at 3:25:57 PM

Now, the gall of Akio: "This model is very popular this year."

Characters have a strange way of noticing the weird shit going on about them.

And Nanami's episodes... what's up with those? Do the staff need to go stupid every few weeks or so?

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#78: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:49:02 PM

This tale is all about disillusion and broken glamour, isn't it?

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#79: Aug 10th 2015 at 5:11:25 PM

And gender, and sex, and adolescence, and identity, and…

It's a pretty dense show.

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#80: Aug 10th 2015 at 5:16:12 PM

It's kind of a mess. I'm frankly amazed that teens would manage to keep up with so much meaning (and absurdity).

Now Utena's slept with Akio, and it was so damned awkward and weird and uncomfortable.

edited 10th Aug '15 5:17:18 PM by TheHandle

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#81: Aug 10th 2015 at 5:57:07 PM

[up]Akio must die.

Loves feel-good animation a whole lot.
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#82: Aug 10th 2015 at 8:19:25 PM

So from what I've gathered, this show is one of the biggest influences on Madoka Magica. That true?

edited 10th Aug '15 9:14:12 PM by LDragon2

majoraoftime Immanentizing the eschaton from UTC -3:00 Since: Jun, 2009
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#83: Aug 10th 2015 at 8:33:43 PM

I doubt Urobuchi's watched it. Shinbo probably has, though – there's a framing-by-grate shot in Rebellion that he lifted straight from Ikuhara's playbook.

In general they have extremely different sensibilities in both direction and writing. Ikuhara and Shinbo both like their surrealism and threatricality, to be sure, but they have very different tastes. Ditto for writers Enokido and Urobuchi – Enokido's got a fixation on adolescence and sex (the biological and sensual kinds), not to mention it's not clear, to my knowledge, how big a role Ikuhara played in the script (it probably was not insubstantial). In contrast, Urobuchi is fond of Lovecraftian horror, pop-science and a grim, gritty atmosphere. And guns. It likely stems from his love of action films and hard-boiled narrative in general, but that's just my idle speculation.

edited 10th Aug '15 9:08:30 PM by majoraoftime

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#84: Aug 11th 2015 at 1:57:31 AM

Himemiya! That was the most unkindest cut of all!

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#85: Aug 11th 2015 at 2:21:07 AM

WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED!?

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#86: Aug 11th 2015 at 2:51:47 AM

[up] The correct response is shaking your fist at the heavens then shouting IKUHARA!!!!!!!

And then you go watch the movie. evil grin[lol]

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#87: Aug 11th 2015 at 5:26:22 AM

Daga Kotowaru! I'm gonna read a lot of analyses to figure out the whole thing.

But, seriously, this shit is insane.

Insane.

I was surprised by Nanami's reaction to the Fraternal Incest between Anthy and Akio. "Wasn't that what you wanted? What do you actually want?"

I also don't understand why the story between Anthy and Akio worked out the way it did.

You know what would be quite disturbing? A Fusion Fic between this and Evangelion. There's enough anchorage points to do it, but several relationships would need to be profoundly reworked...

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#88: Sep 26th 2015 at 7:09:46 PM

So this is where Akio learned to drive:

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#90: Dec 20th 2015 at 1:14:46 PM

Something depresses me.

I've... found myself imitating Akio. Extreme politeness towards, and acting helpful and kind to, people I don't always like or respect all that much. Impressing people with fancy clothes, skills, accessories. Being very quiet about my own feelings and intentions, always letting people assume the best of me, never correcting them when they overestimate me, never talking about my flaws, my faults, my needs. Always full of encouragement, always a compliment ready. When they cry, I offer them a handkerchief, and kind words, even as inside I feel some measure of contempt and disgust, mixed with the genuine empathy. Perhaps part of the genuine empathy, in fact.

It works. People like me. Admire me, even. And I feel like a fraud. In practice, I have done absolutely nothing wrong, yet. Never taken advantage of anyone, never tried to hurt anyone, so I'm still better than Akio, although that's not such a great standard.

edited 20th Dec '15 1:15:49 PM by TheHandle

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#91: Dec 20th 2015 at 1:35:58 PM

Never taken advantage of anyone, never tried to hurt anyone, so I'm still better than Akio, although that's not such a great standard.

This is all that really matters. Don't be so hard on yourself as long as you don't cross this line.

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#92: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:16:40 PM

Anthy sealed away the Prince to protect Akio. Now the Prince's power and Anthy herself are locked away in a coffin.

Akio is the one who is always finding new kids to try and open the damn coffin. After all, Anthy needs to be freed and the world needs the power of the Prince. If Akio is at "fault" for anything, it's merely that he can't forgive Anthy. What a monster.

If it wasn't for him, there would be NOBODY opening up Anthy's coffin, certainly not Utena.

Meanwhile, what's a guy to do?

edited 29th Dec '15 3:18:35 PM by Haruhater

Truly outrageous!
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#93: Dec 29th 2015 at 3:20:29 PM

What you need to understand about Revolutionary Girl Utena is that your thoughts on it, your interpretation of it, reflect nothing about the show, and everything about you.

Truly outrageous!
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#94: Dec 31st 2015 at 4:02:16 PM

Why do these posts feel like tweets?

And Akio is at fault for wanton sexual abuse and exploitation of minors and majors, and cruel and unusual psychological warfare on everyone around him.

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#95: Oct 28th 2016 at 1:49:19 AM

From Redundancy Girl Utena:

redundancy has virtue in art. poets constrain themselves to the same sort of verse forms just as utena does with its episodic narratives. every black rose episode, for instance, has the exact same building blocks and setup, but once that sense of familiarity is instilled within you, you're capable of using these narrative "building blocks" to decipher what else may be going on in the unfamiliar aspects of the episode (the butterfly -> leaf painting thing is a good example of this—you spend the first and simplest BR episode trying to figure out what that painting is supposed to mean, but as the episodes and antagonistic duelists of the week grow in complexity, so does your subjective grasp of the symbol's meaning). Utena's repetition is part of its characteristic style, just as the ironic, "gut-punchy" couplets at the end of most of shakespeare's sonnets.

As others have said that repetition serves a thematic purpose, and does so quite well in my opinion. My general subjective enjoyment of those scenes as awesome moments of hype aside, they were also necessary in a series whose budget was lower than NGE's while being 50% longer. It's a remarkable job of making the best of what they had.

In my opinion, the show is playing with the conventions of shoujo manga and anime by twisting them in an almost uncanny way. You have the transformations, the long hair waving in the wind, the repetition (think about Sailor Moon or Cardcaptor Sakura, they also have the same transformaton scene episode after episode!), etc. However, the repetition of the dueling scenes is not comfortable (like "yay now Sailor Moon will finally defeat them all with her tiara!"), because we suspect that Utena is not really winning like Sailor Moon, there is something weird about the repetition of the grandiloquent scenes that end up amounting to nothing. This is common in Ikuhara's works (e.g. Mawaru Penguindrum), where the role of transformations and repetition is altered from the well-known to a kind of Lacanian "jouissance", i.e. the constant attempts to trangress the prohibitions imposed in our own enjoyment.

Cross post from the Youtube thread.

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#96: Nov 3rd 2016 at 6:29:38 PM

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#97: Nov 4th 2016 at 11:30:23 AM

This is less "in the club" and more "in the Gentleman's Club".

To pity someone is to tell them "I feel bad about being better than you."
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#99: May 27th 2019 at 2:01:41 AM

Nice to meet you. I've seen many stories and characters before and after I finished watching the series, but Akio was so evil that he's managed to sicken, horrify, anger and traumatize me as if he victimized me and my family in real life. No other fictional character has accomplished this exceptional feat, not even Endeavor from My Hero Academia, who was portrayed as another abusive Hate Sink at least at first. If there's one thing that I can praise him for, it's that he's easily made the Omnicidal Maniac Count Bleck from Super Paper Mario and the vengeful Serial Killer Scar from Fullmetal Alchemist look like saints by comparison, obliterating any ambivalence I had about both of them.

Edited by IukaSylvie on May 27th 2019 at 6:05:33 PM

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#100: Nov 17th 2023 at 9:56:43 AM

Took me awhile to locate this topic,I've started watching this anime

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 17th 2023 at 5:58:20 PM

New theme music also a box

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