Justice League

So Zack tried to "work through the pain." I'd probably still be a blubbering mess. Man that really, really sucks.

It's actually kind of funny, but despite the two universes having so many counterparts to one another, the JLA and Avengers don't have a lot of direct analogues to one another (as said Thor and WW are the closest, and then Bruce and Tony kinda). I guess because the Justice League is mostly made up of Golden Age characters put together (new versions of Golden Age characters in some cases, but the origin is still noticeable), whereas the Avengers are distinctly Silver Age. Different design sensibilities and all, even after both have been reimagined so many times.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Justice League movie uses either Bruce and Victor (or both) as their version of Iron Man, though.

edited 23rd May '17 11:57:14 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Yeah, the two teams don't really line up one to one. Tony Stark is everyone, but other than him being a gadget-based hero with a snazzy suit, a corporation with his name on it, and an unflaggingly loyal butler, who also bankrolls the team to an absurd degree, him and Bruce Wayne don't have too much in common. Their traumas and how they deal with them are very different, for starters.

You could say that Captain America and Superman, and Martian Manhunter and the Vision have similar personalities, respectively. Wonder Woman and Thor are both inspired by/the inspiration of different Earth-based mythologies. Green Arrow and Hawkeye are both badass normals who are good with bows. The Green Lantern Corps are more directly comparable to the Nova Corps, but Captain Marvel's energy powers and military/pilot background make her loosely similar to Hal Jordan and John Stewart.

The classic Justice League roster is also much, much more powerful than the Avengers as a whole. Which says something about Marvel and DC's respective approaches to storytelling.

Marvel has plenty of powerhouses that just aren't as known. The X-Men could rival the JL in terms of numbers and power and the current Ultimates is basically the Marvel Justice League.

The storytelling isn't all that different these days

There is just too many differing features to make an easy one-to-one comparison. For one, Avengers is not THE Super Team of the Marvel Universe, but one of many and with a very flexible roster. A-list characters like Spider-Man and Wolverine come and go, and half the team are not really known for solo comics like Scarlet Witch, Black Widow or Falcon. The Justice League is the apex of super teams and has had a fairly consistent line-up, with the core members being largely the bonafide top characters of the DC Universe.

In terms of power levels Justice League definitely skews higher than X-Men or Avengers. The large number of line-ups and varying depictions makes it impossible for exact comparisons and certain characters throw the scale out the window (like Dark Phoenix). It is generally agreed that Flash is faster than Quicksilver, and the likes of Thor and Hulk can be countered by Superman. The JLA / The Avengers had to make some concessions that both Superman and Flash are weaker in the Marvel Universe.

The Avengers have been depicted as THE super team of the Marvel Universe for quite some time now.

Just caught up with the news. Somewhere a nerd is really regretting wishing on that monkey's paw.

Avengers will always share that position with the X-Men, both in-universe and out. You could argue that Fantastic Four is in the running there too, at least up until the last 5 years.

"...Somewhere a nerd is really regretting wishing on that monkey's paw."

...seriously?

Batman will accidentally call a younger justice leaguer "Robin". I don't know why other than them being the age of his former Robins when/if the grew up to the present. And I really want to hear Clark have a constructive conversation with Bruce concerning the events of Bv S.

My condolences to Snyders. No one deserves that.

I'm not sure what to feel with Whedon taking over Justice League (I actually didn't expect him to take over). I'll just have to wait and see, I guess.

edited 24th May '17 6:21:54 PM by kaalban

Everything that lives is designed to end.

It's very sad what happened to them. Depression is a horrible illness. The mental illness stigma is horrible. I can't imagine what they must be going through with wondering how it could have been prevented.

About 75% of the directors job is done with principle photography, that is where they are needed every day setting the spirit of the cast and crew as well as the tone of the movie. The rest is split in pre-production and post-production, and post production is largely automated because of pre-production and principle photography. Snyder has already overseen about half of post production before this happened, Whedon was brought on to be the guiding force for reshoots and taking charge of those things and, likely, the final edit of the movie.

It's important to know that directors rarely direct every bit of footage seen on screen. In pre and post production a director is basically synonymous with producer. Anything not involving the big budget shots (main cast, money shots, etc) are left to other units. Guest directors also occur frequently, due to design or scheduling. Snyder directed Flash's cameo in Suicide Squad.

Truth is I think Snyder is a fantastic director and a smart storyteller but not the most discerning producer. Whedon is a good writer and a smart producer but just an okay director, so having him take charge at this point following Snyder's lead is a positive thing to me.

edited 24th May '17 9:29:15 PM by KJMackley

Some Justice League art for theater concessions. After seeing the poster of the five member line-up sans Superman, I had a feeling there would be an additional poster with Superman floating behind them.

edited 31st May '17 11:06:51 AM by KJMackley

Superman comes back from the dead?!?!?!?!

UGH SPOILERS!!!! :O

It's not that he comes back from the dead that is the spoiler it is how he comes back that would a spoiler.

I know

edited 1st Jun '17 9:06:58 AM by Halberdier17

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic.

Charles Roven talking about Wonder Woman first and then a little bit about Justice League. Affirmed that reshoots had not occurred yet, debunking the rumor through basic logic (they have a very busy cast doing a lot of other projects, getting anyone together is a nightmare of scheduling).

Additional Photography on Justice League will take until August to complete.

It isn't that it is extensive or anything just that they have to work around the actors schedules.

Henry Cavill was filming Mission Impossible, Ben Affleck was in the Congo, Gal Gadot is doing the Press tour for Wonder Woman and has a new baby, and Jason Momoa is filming Aquaman in Australia.

edited 6th Jun '17 9:41:37 AM by Halberdier17

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

"BOF says that the Justice League reshoots aren’t just standard “pick-ups”. The extra scenes that are being added in are so significant that filming is expected to take place in June, July, and could even go into August."

Reeks of the foul hand of Whedon.

Snyder approved of him and his choices.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

I don't believe BoF about that. I think filming could take that long but like I said the cast is all around the world doing other projects now.

Charles Roven and Toby Emmerich said the scenes that Joss Whedon is filming isn't really significant to the plot just a few scenes that Zack Snyder wanted to add.

I would rather believe people involved in the movie than a website.

edited 6th Jun '17 5:28:10 PM by Halberdier17

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

And honestly, after what happened to him I doubt Whedon wouldn't respect Snyder and would go ahead making changes to his movie without his approval.

WB executives in the other hand...

Yes, because nothing says "the foul hand of Whedon" than "chosen by Zack Snyder to write and then direct the reshoots Snyder himself approved of."

At some point, you're going to have to accept that Zack Snyder chose Joss Whedon to finish directing the rest of the film, despite, you know, your undying hatred of Whedon.

edited 6th Jun '17 7:27:52 PM by alliterator

I don't recall ever saying Zack Snyder was an infallible god. People make mistakes. Letting Whedon anywhere near a movie was proven to be a bad thing back with Alien Resurrection and he hasn't improved any from what I've seen.

But perhaps is spot-on and that's all bullshit about the huge reshoots. If so, then whatever. Whedon is just putting the finishing touches on something that was already pretty much done and that's fine by me.