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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26: Apr 11th 2011 at 6:16:26 AM

^ I second that.

A black man with a trick gun and a cripple with a mechanical wheelchair duking it out while bantering with insensitive handicapped puns and detestable slavery jokes by all accounts should be terrible, but it... wasn't.

There were so many really dumb moments in that movie that they kind of wrapped around into being good again, while the awesome moments kept on coming.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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#27: Apr 11th 2011 at 9:32:14 AM

Will Smith just has that talent for making over-the-top cheesiness work in a film.

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Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin Since: Jul, 2010
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#28: Apr 11th 2011 at 10:08:01 AM

He can turn "Yo homes, to Bel Air!" to lyrics of the Gods.

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#29: Apr 11th 2011 at 10:30:56 AM

JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEST!!!

Any movie with corsets and steampunk spider tanks gets a pass in my book.

The only place where they might've gone too far was the scene where Will drums on a fat southern lady's breasts and then claims he mistook them for African drums, or something. The "minstrel show" line got blurry by that point.

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nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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#30: Apr 11th 2011 at 11:23:30 AM

Jim West had to appeal to a crowd that was just that politically-incorrect in humor. What do you expect?

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#31: Apr 11th 2011 at 11:31:06 AM

oh, and the shot of the giant robot Loveless penis. That served no purpose at all.

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nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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#32: Apr 11th 2011 at 12:03:41 PM

... When did that happen?

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#33: Apr 11th 2011 at 12:30:56 PM

I thought he was just saying he was using them as African drums to continue his metaphor so he didn't get lynched. Not that he confused them with drums. And I don't seem to remember any giant robopenis.

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#34: Apr 11th 2011 at 2:31:38 PM

I had to re-check, so I hope you appreciate what I do for you people.

It's the part in the grassy field right before Will Smith and Kline run from the buzzsaws. Loveless starts yapping about how he's gonna rape Salma Hayeck lol, and then we see the buzzsaw shooting machine, which is shaped like a metal dick. It's quick, but it's there.

edited 11th Apr '11 2:31:51 PM by johnnyfog

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#35: Apr 11th 2011 at 7:34:17 PM

Wild Wild West was all sorts of goofy fun but as a movie it really failed on several aspects, largely in just going with an understandable plot.

Back to Men In Black, the second film had its moments but it was largely just a rehash of the first film dedicated to getting Kay back into the mix in some way. In that regard it did alright, but the rest of the movie suffered in comparison: the villain was far less memorable, the macguffin's reveal wasn't that big of a twist and the higher action quotient made it seem like it was trying to cover the slow spots of the story. It was much more interesting as a paranormal police procedural than as a Bruckheimer knockoff.

I did like Warburton as Agent T and the little moment they had in the Diner about how being MIB means you never get any credit for saving the planet, and Kay's later remark about the tough decisions you have to make.

Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin Since: Jul, 2010
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#36: Apr 11th 2011 at 7:48:40 PM

I remember that Agent T was supposed to be a much bigger character than what was shown in the final cut. I don't remember what he was supposed to be (probably become the second film's version of Laurel) but I was very disappointed that he leaves after the first ten minutes.

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Ronnie Respect the Red Right Hand from Surrounded by Idiots Since: Jan, 2001
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#37: Apr 12th 2011 at 8:40:10 AM

Sonnenfeld said he intended T as the live-action Tick from the series he produced.

JAF1970 Jonah Falcon from New York Since: Jan, 2001
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#38: Apr 12th 2011 at 10:21:02 AM

Tommy Lee Jones in MIB 2 looked like he wanted to be anywhere but there. Completely detached and bored.

Oh, and Will? That "I'm a black man who gets no respect" is moldy. Especially with the subtext you have more money that 95% of Americans.

edited 12th Apr '11 10:21:49 AM by JAF1970

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#39: Apr 12th 2011 at 10:22:16 AM

"Completely detached and bored" Isn't that how K looks anyway?

nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
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#40: Apr 12th 2011 at 11:16:35 AM

That's his character - a seen-it-all field agent hopelessly out of touch with modern society, seeking a purpose in life be it passing on the mantle (Men in Black 1) or accepting his position when realizing that he doesn't fit in the normal world (Men in Black 2).

edited 12th Apr '11 11:16:55 AM by nomuru2d

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#41: Apr 12th 2011 at 11:35:51 AM

Yeah, he practically epitomizes the Seen It All character type.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#42: Apr 12th 2011 at 11:44:21 AM

The only thing I didn't like about the second movie is the snapback to their old dynamic in the second half. Even moreso than getting no respect, once K gets his memories back, J immediately starts acting like an inexperienced sidekick, even though the first half makes it clear he was a badass of galactic renown in his own right.

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#43: Apr 12th 2011 at 12:01:36 PM

Yeah, the switcharoo of making J the world-weary, jaded one wasn't as interesting. At the end, he and K revert to their old roles, and you're like "...Bluh? Was that the point of the whole movie?"

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Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin Since: Jul, 2010
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#44: Apr 12th 2011 at 1:25:58 PM

First photos of Josh Brolin as Agent K are out. Reminds me of someone from Mad Men.

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HopelessSituationWarrior Naïve Newcomer from Canada. The middle part. Since: Sep, 2010
#45: Apr 12th 2011 at 6:06:06 PM

Link In some of those pictures he looks scary like Tommy Lee Jones.

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rbx5 Rbx5 Since: Jan, 2001
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#46: Apr 12th 2011 at 7:07:09 PM

^...I swear, he is like a perfectly 50-50 combination of Tommy Lee Jones and Dennis Quaid.

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Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin Since: Jul, 2010
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#47: Apr 12th 2011 at 7:53:55 PM

Despite being the son of James Brolin.

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#48: Apr 13th 2011 at 9:18:20 AM

[up] Where would we be without your penetrating insight, Buschemi?

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Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin Since: Jul, 2010
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#49: Apr 13th 2011 at 5:27:49 PM

Michael Stuhlbarg (the star of A Serious Man) has now joined the cast. I guess he's the go-to guy from comedies set in the 1960's.

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#50: Apr 14th 2011 at 5:11:34 PM

Ultimately, I disliked Men In Black 2 not because it was written worse but rather because it destroyed the Bittersweet Ending of the first film. Yes, there was an And the Adventure Continues, but the adventure was continuing without K-that was the whole point.

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