Duplicates EndingFatigue: Labouring The Point

Is there really enough distinction between these two tropes to justify separate pages? Is there any distinction?

I'm not seeing any significant difference.

No difference. We should merge them.

Courtesy link: Ending Fatigue

Bump. Also supporting a merge; there doesn't seem to be much of a distinction between this and Ending Fatigue and that page is much better written.

Doesn't appear to have gone through YKTTW either. Kill It with Fire.

"Labo(u)ring the Point" is a misleading name, though. The standard meaning of that term is to keep on trying to make a point long after it's already been made. This is more about veering off on a tangent because you need to pad out the story. If we keep it under the current name, misuse is probably inevitable (but I haven't checked).

I agree the tropes should be merged, though. I just think the final name should either be Ending Fatigue (path of least resistance) or something new (a lot more work).

Edit: a name spelled the same in both AmE and BE might be nice too, though that's not as important.

edited 30th Sep '11 12:03:18 PM by Xtifr

Went through YKTTW as one of the three original Pacing Problems along with It Gets Better (formerly Get On With It Already) and Lost in Medias Res (formerly Hold Your Horses) - I think the YKTTW is on one of the other pages, but since they were written pre-The Great Crash, don't hold me to that.

Ending Fatigue is audience reaction. Labouring the Point is where the story's identifiable crisis has already passed and we're still talking. Still, Ending Fatigue is the more recognised trope, and LTP has very few examples. Could just be a casualty of the wiki's recent attitude towards subjective tropes. I'd say LTP is still valid in itself, but it is pretty drastically overshadowed by EF. It might not be needed any more.

edited 15th Oct '11 4:41:06 AM by FantiSci

I still think that's a good reason to merge. One is basically "the ending keeps going and going" and the other is "the ending keeps going and going and the audience doesn't like that". The latter is subjective and appears to break Tropes Are Not Bad.

Bump. All people here seem to agree to either merge or cut this. Shall we proceed or does this need a crowner first?

Two more flaws: the phrase is belabor the point, and it's spelled with a \"u\"

edited 7th Jan '12 6:54:53 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I say just merge it - Ending Fatigue is the bigger trope, and already appears on the Pacing Problems index. We could fit some of L.T.P's description into the description of E.F. if necessary.

(P.S, @rodney: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/labour-the-point . It's one of those "some people chuck in extra letters" expressions).

I apologize for being late to this thread, but there is now a page action crowner for these tropes here. Feel free to add options as you see fit and point out any mistakes I may have made in putting it together.

Crowner is hooked.

Bumping this for votes.

Crowner called.

I've merged Labouring the Point into Ending Fatigue and moved the wicks over.

Should this be closed now?

Well done. Locking.