Why is this YMMV?: You Fail Gun Safety Forever

I don't understand what's YMMV about this trope. Gun safety is pretty hard and fast, so it should be easy to say if it's being failed. If there's a good explanation of why it's YMMV that should go in the trope page.

edited 7th Mar '11 4:15:54 AM by Martello

I think every "You fail X" trope got a YMMV tag, regardless of content.

I'd suggest renaming to a less snowclone-y title, but this one actually seems fairly apt.

All the You Fail tropes are tagged as YMMV. They're more trivia anyway, but that's beside the point. A long time ago, I divied the page up into a couple of prospective tropes, which you can see on Sandbox.You Fail Gun Safety Forever.

There are quite a few justifying edits on that page so it's YMMV to some people.

Even after the split, this is stuck somewhere between being an objective trope and a Did Not Do The Research trope. The later was what I was arguing it should be, the former is the current trope definition minus the DNDTR part. And it still has too many aversions, which assume the DNDTR part.

With that future of Did Not Do The Research in question, albeit the Trope Repair Shop version of Development Hell, I start to wonder if this should be cut and the examples moved to pages where they best fit. Without DNDTR, it's The Same But More Specific of Reckless Gun Usage.

When I Just Shot Marvin in the Face was split, somebody said "but it's different when some schmuck does something dangerous and somebody who should know better does something dangerous" and so I split it up that way.

Yeah, that was partly me. :p

edited 8th Mar '11 9:29:41 PM by Elle

Its YMMV beacuse it has fail forever in the title. Some banners are coded like that, like the Wall Banger banner once showing up on Wall Bang.

Is this done?

Should we split it up like on Sandbox.You Fail Gun Safety Forever?

Resurrecting to say yes.

Okay then. After work/nap I'll take 'em over to YKTTW.

YKTTW set put up. Just used straight copypasta from the sandbox, no changes made. Need to add descriptions and stuff later, sleepy now.

Is the Sandbox.You Fail Gun Safety Forever ready to be transplanted onto the main page?

edited 11th Oct '11 12:19:37 PM by Madrugada

No. That's not what that was for, that was me sorting to try and see if I could sort them into real tropes. All the YKTTW's died though. I suppose we could sort it otherwise though.

I've been working on moving the "artistic license x" pages to their new names so they aren't just custom title-renamed and I was gonna move this one but I saw there was a discussion going on and I didn't want to mess anything up. I agree that this page needs to be organized and possibly split and/or move out of the "artistic license x" snowclone family but I'm not sure what specifically we should do.

edited 1st Dec '11 7:26:16 PM by djbj

I tried running the possible tropes through YKTTW, but they died there.

Isn't there already a Reckless Gun Usage trope of some sort? Doesn't a You fail X for ever just make it redundant? I feel like that snowclone family is sort of meant to be reserved for Egregiously examples of someone in a wrok making a basic mistake that would prevent them from being competent in that field, (it sounds to me a lot like Critical Research Failure's premise applied practices other than research.)

edited 7th Dec '11 11:05:17 AM by iphobos

Because we have Artistic Licence – Gun Safety now, I agree that You Fail Gun Safety Forever is redundant can can be merged into Reckless Gun Usage.

Er, oops...You Fail Gun Safety was renamed to the Artistic Licence.

edited 7th Dec '11 11:19:55 AM by Elle

Well, Reckless was supposed to be about characters simply doing something stupid, the You Fail was supposed to be about characters who have reason to know better screwing it up. I don't know why people said these were different, but people did.

Is there still anything to resolve here?

Re-bump. Should this be moved to a proper title to get rid of the banner? Artistic License – Indexes doesn't have it after all.

There has been a request to lock that page, is the discussion truly finished?

I forgot I even started this thread. I don't think the discussion is over - I still haven't seen a reason why something so cut and dried as gun safety should be YMMV. I guess what needs to happen is to remove the banner, or rename if that isn't possible.

edited 21st Feb '12 11:56:02 AM by Martello

The banner is there because the page hasn't yet been shifted to Artistic License – Gun Safety. As long as it is only custom-titled, the banner will stay. When the page has been moved, the banner will disappear.

Alas, the banner was a leftover from the You Fail X Forever rename threads, it has nothing to do with YMMV

Ok I'll start doing the work.