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TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#1: Feb 28th 2011 at 10:58:01 PM

I wish I had more to say to introduce this, but I am sleepy.

Spread the revolution.

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#2: Mar 1st 2011 at 12:24:00 AM

Nice.

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spasticgecko Dat Troper from Maryland Since: Oct, 2011
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#3: Mar 1st 2011 at 9:26:32 AM

I thought this would be about real pirates. But this is good.

Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#4: Mar 1st 2011 at 2:07:01 PM

Another proof that our generation has a massive entitlement issue.

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Gelzo Gerald Zosewater from the vault Since: Oct, 2009
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#5: Mar 1st 2011 at 3:07:06 PM

[up]I don't think entitlement is the right word. Just because someone takes what they want doesn't mean they think they deserve it.

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SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#6: Mar 1st 2011 at 3:09:09 PM

Depends on how you define "deserve".

I only pirate things because I have no source of income. Once I get one, I'll be far less likely to do so.

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Sporkaganza I'm glasses. Since: May, 2009
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#7: Mar 1st 2011 at 3:37:25 PM

I was all to support this, but a lot of the demands seem incredibly unrealistic.

Honestly, though, I think region codes really ought to go. They're probably the biggest pain in the ass to consumers. Oh, also? I like the global release dates idea. I mean, maybe it wouldn't work what with translation, but, for instance, does Australia really have to be 6 months behind everyone for movies coming out?

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
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#8: Mar 1st 2011 at 3:38:28 PM

Doesn't that have something to do with their ratings system?

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#9: Mar 1st 2011 at 3:39:41 PM

I can't remember, but it's bullshit in any case.

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SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#10: Mar 1st 2011 at 3:43:02 PM

I was all to support this, but a lot of the demands seem incredibly unrealistic.

This reminds me to note that I've yet to actually read the thing linked to in the OP.

Because I am a lazy, lazy bastard.

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Haven Planescape Hijack Since: Jan, 2001
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#11: Mar 1st 2011 at 7:35:17 PM

Though it could be branded better, that is a very concise summary of some of the factors that lead to the prevalence of digital piracy.

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#12: Mar 1st 2011 at 8:15:21 PM

Hmmm... an almost interesting read.

I agree with most of the technical points, and none of the pricing ones. Overall, the most important stuff, and the better workable, I think not coinceidentally, are 2.3 (fans are allowed to create and share subtitles, if not any other kind of support content), 3.1 and 4.2 (obviously workable ever since Youtube exists) 5.1. This shows just how retrograde the current industry fights to stay.

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TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#13: Mar 1st 2011 at 9:08:18 PM

Pricing: simple, yes consistent, yes, but I'm fine with the cinema price being the same as the purchase price, but not much more. Maybe this was written by somebody living in a highly populated area where movie tickets are pricier.

  • Payment for content, not bandwidth: does that mean the price should be the same for HD and SD? That's not okay.

  • 2.2: All languages are available upon purchase. Sure, why not? I don't know what circumstances you'd want a different language than the ones you knew when you got it that you'd want, but fine.
  • 3.2: Ad-free content: provided that this is only about stuff I forked over cash for, yes.
  • 3.3: This is so simple, why isn't it already in action?
  • 4.2: The phrasing sounds overrreaching but it's easily done, provided storage and bandwidth.

5 is the core excuse given for piracy.

edited 1st Mar '11 9:08:40 PM by TParadox

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InverurieJones '80s TV Action Hero from North of the Wall. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#14: Mar 2nd 2011 at 12:14:51 AM

Piracy isn't stealing; they still have the use of the original.

A very important distinction in the eyes of the law.

Anyhow, I likes my music for free but I hate watching films on a computer and have a lovely Blu-Ray player, so I'll keep buying films at my current rate of two or three a year.

edited 2nd Mar '11 12:17:53 AM by InverurieJones

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#15: Mar 2nd 2011 at 12:25:11 AM

Meh, as always, the law is a matter of what you can get away with.

Movie studios will try to fuck over consumers as hard as they can and pirates will try to steal as much as they can.

If either one of them wins, we all lose.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#16: Mar 2nd 2011 at 12:36:01 AM

[up][up][up]2.2: In most such cases, one wants dubbed and subbed versions (and the subs available in both languages), to allow comparison.

Re entitlement: A case could be made of artificial scarcity being entitlement the other way around, so I'll live this to philosophers.

edited 2nd Mar '11 12:37:31 AM by Medinoc

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mikefrombrooklyn Since: Dec, 1969
#17: Mar 2nd 2011 at 9:49:21 AM

Some of the points seem very entitled, but I agree with most of them. We should have an OT on artificial scarcity, that would be fun.

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#18: Sep 18th 2012 at 6:53:27 PM

I agree with the exception of "Movies are not bound to the service provider, and must be DRM-free in the case of purchases." and "Content is delivered without ads, or disrupting infringement warnings.", unless you actually paid for it. And the pricing thing should be written out completely.

also, you really should'nt "threaten" s=to steal if these arent met, and you've got no reason to pirate anyway. These should more be general guidelines for releases in general, different release dates are kind of stupid, especially for the same language.

can you tell I'm really anti-piracy?

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cfive Since: Jan, 2001
#19: Sep 18th 2012 at 11:02:00 PM

I agree with the people who say this list is very entitled sounding. No one is making anyone steal anything, it's a choice the person doing the stealing makes for themselves. I agree that region-encoding should go, since I like importing things, but that's about it. I don't even see how "I can find movies or TV shows by year, director, language, country, genre, iMDB ID" has anything to do with piracy, so why is it even on the list? I'm anti-piracy, so admittedly I am biased, but even if I wasn't, I think I'd still find this list to be somewhat poor.

edited 18th Sep '12 11:08:15 PM by cfive

TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#20: Sep 18th 2012 at 11:14:18 PM

Technology makes it possible to get what you want with a minimum of effort. Why not work with that instead of against it?

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InverurieJones '80s TV Action Hero from North of the Wall. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#21: Sep 19th 2012 at 5:01:57 AM

Meh. Piracy isn't even stealing.

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#22: Sep 19th 2012 at 5:35:11 AM

I don't even see how "I can find movies or TV shows by year, director, language, country, genre, iMDB ID" has anything to do with piracy, so why is it even on the list?
From what I understand, the rationale on this point is that if legal distributors don't offer these services (which all help the transaction) and pirates do, they shouldn't bitch/sue when people pirate (or go to a different distributor).

edited 19th Sep '12 5:35:50 AM by Medinoc

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cfive Since: Jan, 2001
#23: Sep 19th 2012 at 9:31:50 AM

I guess, but most legal distributors do an okay job of that already. I could type "Morgan Freeman" in Amazon, and get a bunch of Morgan Freeman films, or I could type "Phil Lamarr" in Netflix and get the stuff he's done that's on there. Crackle has a pretty good sorting system that lets you hone things down by date, genre, title, etc. Hulu is kind of bad at it, but most of that stuff's free anyway. They might not offer all the sorting options listed, but overall distributors are decent at it for the most part. Plus, I just can't see even the most extreme pirate saying "They won't let me sort these by which films have Kevin Bacon in them, so I'm going to pirate them. That'll really stick it to the man."

TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#24: Sep 19th 2012 at 11:42:22 AM

I think it's more, "I can't just search up Minnie Driver and get stuff on Hulu, but I can on The Pirate Bay. Why bother leaving The Pirate Bay?"

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#25: Sep 19th 2012 at 9:10:06 PM

They won't let me sort these by which films have Kevin Bacon in them

There's no reason to; it's all of them.


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