Example Cleanup: Inaction Sequence

Alot of the examples on Inaction Sequence are bad. Going beyond the fact of weither or not this trope is an anime only trope, it's an "adaptation" only trope. Yet half the works listed are not adaptations. They are examples of mere Padding.

I can remove the bad examples, but I suspect alot of bad Trope Decay amongst wicks as many examples seem to be "characters in that show talk alot and do little" which by itself is not this trope.

edited 23rd Feb '11 11:53:10 PM by Ghilz

Bump. Seriously whats with my TRS posts later all not getting a response

This trope seems problematic all over:

• Its description has my pet hate, the "General trope written as if it only ever occurs in anime" thing.
• The trope name is weird, and not really what I expected (I figured the trope would be something like "action" sequences that are, in fact, extremely boring.)
• And on top of that, the definition is fuzzy, attracting many examples of misuse.

Or... maybe it is really anime-only, come to think of it, as I read the description. It does seem to be about adaptation, and it seems manga-to-anime adaptation is a peculiarly direct type of adaptation that isn't encountered all that much in other media. (I'm having trouble thinking of ANY Western comics adaptation where they're actually adapting something in an issue-by-issue way.)

If that's the case, the description needs to highlight this uniqueness and probably have a less-generic name.

Its description has my pet hate, the "General trope written as if it only ever occurs in anime" thing.

I can see it as being far more common there. Anime by far tends to do direct conversion of mangas, while the manga is still running. There's not many western equivalent I can think of that do this kind of adaptation, and the few that do don't resort to this (prefering filler).

Yeah, that's an interesting point, and apparently a valid one. It could still use a rewrite to reflect that more strongly. As is, the description reads like the sort of Fan Myopia I described, like the writer just assumed Anime and Manga are the only two media in existence.

Way back when a lot of our tropes were marked as anime tropes. This may be a remnant of that.

I'm cool with the description, though. The phenomenon is overwhelmingly the most common and the most blatant in anime. Plus many of the video game examples at least have the excuse of Gameplay and Story Segregation, a weakness of the medium.

edited 26th Feb '11 2:59:43 AM by Kizor

None of the videogame example fit the definition though.

True. Actually, I don't think there's a single non-Anime example that actually fits the trope description, which is more ammo for the argument that it really IS one of those rare anime-only tropes.

I yanked an example because it was complaining about talking that was taken directly from the original work.

This trope should only be for extensive dialog sequences that exist only to pad out time, correct? Otherwise its just Talking Is a Free Action

No, it's specifically an adaptation trope, at least as I read it.

In comics form, it's possible to have a whole issue of almost all action, but in animation, it wouldn't work as well for both budget and dramatic reasons. So episodes based on a mostly-action issue get lots of padding.

And as noted, the "one issue = one episode" style of adaptation seems pretty much unique to Japanese manga-to-anime adaptation.

Correct.

I`ve seen in in Franco-Belgian Comics, but they do not use Inaction Sequence to pad out, they use filler.

Yes, I know its an adaption trope. That was my point. The talking was in the original work, and the original work was a novel anyway, not a manga/comic.

I've cut all the non-anime examples as they were all bad. Either because they were not adaptations, or even when they were, they were not this trope.

I believe some of the Anime ones are bad too. Digimon, if I recall, was not adapted from a Manga was it?

Nope, as far as I know all Digimon TV series are Anime First, though there is a large amount of spinoff materials, including several manga.

Bump

Re-Bump

The main text bugs me. Right at the top:

Why is Manga a special case? Most works in all genres allocate time by importance — it's a basic bit of craft.

Say what? All television works in real time? And no TV show allocates time by importance?

edited 16th Mar '11 12:17:16 AM by Camacan

Say you got a plot busy 20 manga chapter and want to convert it to an anime well if you animated the 20 page manga chapter verbatim it would be about 8 minutes, going by the Negima OA Ds who did go scene by scene in order and did 3 chapters per 24 minute episode (Don't flame me for using that series its just an example I know that did it this way).

Even less so for a real action chapter in which there are 2 page panels (This lasted 5 seconds animated) or very detailed punch by punch action taking up a ton of space which timeline wise takes up 2 minutes.

A fight taking 5 manga chapters suddenly fit into less than an episode worth of content.

In response to this they add a specific type of Padding like massive amounts of talking, reaction shots, Combat Commentator, wide pans of the carnage, make a 5 second Beam-O-War last 2 episodes, ect. to avoid Overtook the Manga.

This is a subtrope of Padding due to specific techniques used and the reason its used for.

edited 16th Mar '11 12:53:28 AM by Raso

He's not questioning the trope, it's just that the two particular lines he quoted are plain wrong.

>< sorry.

Anyway a Manga/Comic version of The Law of Conservation of Detail should probably be in place of that manga sentence. Do we have that?

edited 16th Mar '11 1:34:23 AM by Raso

Bumping this. We are still getting misuse. Had to remove an example today where someone was adding a work that isn't an adaptation to the example list.

It looks to me like the trope description needs a stem-to-stern overhaul. The current description seems to have the right points in there, but it's laid out confusingly.

This does need a shorter more condensed definition. While we've only found anime examples of it, writing it up as a more general adaptation trope couldn't hurt. It's still probably only going to have anime examples (because I honestly can't think of any examples of this trope in other media), but at least if it does get examples from other media, at least they'd have a better chance of being right.

It's been two months since this was active, are we going anywhere with this?

If we decide to further this, I might suggest that we send this back to Ykttw.

edited 7th Dec '11 6:14:19 PM by pokedude10