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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#2951: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:40:18 PM

Strangely, LEIA is Garm Bel Iblis.

She's the warlike but prescient Rebellion founder who saw the Empire's continuing danger and the weakness of the New Republic—so she built her own private militia.

Obviously the time is different but it's still there.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#2952: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:43:15 PM

@theLibrarian: I do not think we have a 1 to 1 replacement: Draven is closer to what Iblis brought to the table in terms of tactics, and Cham Syndulla is a dead ringer personality-wise. Saw is closer to Blox Hatha-someone useful, but deliberately kept at arms length from the rest of the Rebel Alliance, with Mothma and Organa studiously ignoring the associated tactics as much as possible.

edited 10th Dec '17 8:43:55 PM by ViperMagnum357

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Would that it were so simple.
#2953: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:54:36 PM

Garm Bel Iblis should still get canonized, in my opinion, since there is a significant Corellian presence in the Alliance.

Also, Bel Iblis didn't quit because he was a man of blood, he quit because he thought Mon Mothma was getting his men killed needlessly and not listening to him. That morphed into suspicion that she was an aspiring dictator.

edited 10th Dec '17 8:56:31 PM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#2954: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:14:23 PM

[up]Well, he was half right-the Rebel's first campaign was an virtually unmitigated disaster that killed most of their people, destroyed their fleet, and got millions of civilians dead in the crossfire. It effectively undid most of their work preparing for a conflict with the Empire, and had only 3 saving graces-they freed Ackbar from slavery, liberated Dac, and were so thoroughly slaughtered that their hapless ineptitude generated a great deal of sympathy for the Alliance, and caused the defection of a lot of Imperial personnel.

edited 10th Dec '17 9:15:13 PM by ViperMagnum357

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#2955: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:28:39 PM

What first campaign was this?

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#2956: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:34:20 PM

[up]Operation Domino, [1] which was a shitshow from start to finish.

SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#2957: Dec 25th 2017 at 7:33:16 AM

For those of you who wondered just what exactly did the campaign and the Resurrection DLC of Battlefront 2 explain about the new trilogy's lore, GameWatcher has a neat little article explaining exactly that.

Don't worry about spoilers from The Last Jedi. The implications towards the latest film are vague or very minor at best, with the only big chunk of information being that Operation: Resurrection involves the mass kidnapping of human infants and strip mining defenseless worlds in the Outer Rim. Or that Luke found the location of the first Jedi Temple on Ahch-To via a compass that he found in a hidden vault owned by Palpatine. Inferno Squad was supposed to destroy it, but Luke convinced one of their members otherwise.

edited 25th Dec '17 7:33:41 AM by SgtRicko

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#2959: Dec 27th 2017 at 6:16:24 AM

If they don't expand single-player bot-matches to include starfighter modes I'm going to eat my computer

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#2960: Dec 27th 2017 at 7:08:02 AM

[up]I'm surprised they haven't. Half of both teams during each Starfighter Assault match already consist of AI bots, and occasionally the game will spice things up by making one of those bots WAY more accurate and competent at hunting human players than usual, including a slight health and damage boost.

From what I've seen those "Ace" bots usually get introduced whenever the losing team seems to have less players than the winning team, or if both teams are of unusually small sizes.

I can see why DICE didn't bother adding in bots to the Galactic Assault mode though. Even when at maximum AI levels and with equal stats, the bots still clearly under-perform versus human players and only become dangerous when attacking in groups. That, or they'd have to give the AI so many advantages to the point where it'd be clear that they're cheating to provide a challenging opponent.

[up][up]EDIT: Wow. First time I've ever seen Palpatine be such a massive threat. Usually he's a total pushover whenever I play him, takes too long to kill enemies with the Force Lightning, even when up-close.

edited 27th Dec '17 7:09:56 AM by SgtRicko

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#2961: Dec 27th 2017 at 7:11:24 AM

I was promised stealth in the campaign, and greatly improved starfighter controls.

I technically

technically

technically

got exactly that but God, both things sucked.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#2962: Dec 27th 2017 at 7:29:54 AM

[up]Biggest problem with the stealth seems to be that a bunch of the crates and waist-high walls scattered throughout apparently aren't high enough to cover Iden's head. Results in one too many a case of me getting spotted after dashing into cover that I thought would suffice in keeping me concealed, but actually don't.

I don't have any complaints about the Starfighter Assault mode anymore though. Yeah the controls are really basic and arcade-ish, and at first I found even the bombers to be crazy-nimble, but after awhile you start to notice some significant differences between the factions and their starfighters, and I'm not talking about the special abilities/perks. For example, the Rebel and and Resistance A-Wing has so far proven to be the one fighter where I'm guaranteed to get some quick and easy fighter kills. Why? Because it's rate of fire is faster than the other interceptors, making it's both easier to track and lead targets into your fire and dish out the damage quickly.

And then there's the Galactic Republic's Clone ARC fighter... I'm not sure if that sucker is a bomber in disguise, or some odd concept of a gunship class that never made it into the final product, yet was sneakily introduced via this fighter's peculiar stats and abilities.

They need to do something about the missiles though. Right now, all they're good for is going after slow, fat targets like the Millennium Falcon, or doing as much damage as possible to stationary targets like turrets, light cruisers and objective targets. Attempting to fire one at any of the fighters, save maybe some of the larger hero craft, usually results in the target player (or even bots!) dodging like crazy until the missile deactivates. Even the one missile that's supposed to be good at fighter interception, the Concussive missile, seems to be lacking in tracking ability and overall accuracy.

edited 27th Dec '17 7:30:15 AM by SgtRicko

SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#2963: Jan 3rd 2018 at 9:30:57 AM

https://www.nexusmods.com/starwarsbattlefront22017/mods/119/?

Meet "Matt" the Radar Technician - Totally not Kylo Ren, guys!

(yes, Battlefront 2 somehow already has mods, including a Pink Darth Vader)

edited 3rd Jan '18 9:31:56 AM by SgtRicko

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#2964: Jan 3rd 2018 at 10:37:48 AM

I just wish that the Resistance would get a dedicated bomber like they have in The Last Jedi.

SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#2965: Jan 3rd 2018 at 10:46:00 AM

The physics behind that bomber scene made little sense in the film, and I suspect that by trying to replicate that battle in-game (let alone give players direct control over the bombers) would result in even more hiccups appearing.

For one, wouldn't a horde of dumb-fire proton bombs be a more practical means of attack, instead of WWII-era gravity bombs? It'd prevent the bombers from having to be directly over the target, for one.

Cganale Since: Dec, 2010
#2966: Jan 3rd 2018 at 11:45:30 AM

Let's not get into how glaringly bad the physics are in that scene, even given the previously-established dogfight tendencies shown in earlier films.

Old-School Dogfight with fighters in space is visually cool and works, somehow.

Old-School Dogfight with bombers that follow the same rules as bombers from that time period are...bad.

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#2967: Jan 3rd 2018 at 12:36:45 PM

I would personally accepted it fine if it wasn't hovering like 15 feet above its target.

That's not a bomber, that's a suicide bomber.

Cganale Since: Dec, 2010
#2968: Jan 3rd 2018 at 12:39:02 PM

In a setting where death lasers you can target from across the galaxy (hello, Galaxy Gun in all but name) are a thing, as well as everyone having guided missiles, I, as a former munitions technician, cannot accept that they don't have some space equivalent of a GPS-guided bomb.

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#2969: Jan 3rd 2018 at 1:08:30 PM

I actually remember reading in a few places that the guided torpedoes used by the X-Wings were said to be expensive as hell. Clearly they couldn't spring to fill up a bomber with the things.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#2970: Jan 3rd 2018 at 1:22:50 PM

Especially since a lot of the Resistance's ships are converted transports or old surplus.

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#2971: Jan 3rd 2018 at 1:28:29 PM

Couldn't they at least have sprung for a mechanism that released the ammo hold part of the hull to drop instead of basically making suicide bombers though?...

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#2972: Jan 3rd 2018 at 2:08:53 PM

like, use cheap ships slave-rigged to a droid brain. Droid brain lives in main ship, controls bomb ships to fly directly into enemy. Main ship survives, droid survives. Bomb ship dies smashing into enemy.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#2973: Jan 3rd 2018 at 2:13:12 PM

I think the standard handwave has always been that Star Wars ECM is better than their guidance systems, hence needing to be within spitting distance. These bombers follow from that a bit, dropping a whole bunch of bombs as close as possible as their only counter to point defense turrets. It's stupid, but in a Rock Beats Laser "we don't have the money for anything better" kind of way.

Cganale Since: Dec, 2010
#2974: Jan 3rd 2018 at 2:41:36 PM

Droid brain suicide bomber fleet is a lot more palatable to me, but not to the Resistance for several reasons:

1. Prohibitively expensive to keep willfully asploding ships like that.

2. They're the "good guys" so they don't get to use such pragmatic "terroristic" tactics.

As for the ECM, there's certainly something fucky going on given Anakin's bullshit missile dodging trick in Revenge, but gigantic ships like the dreadnaught are kind of....not gonna be dodging any kind of guided projectile. They're better off going with point-defense. Which they did, to be fair, but Poe just gave them the glorious middle finger on that point.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#2975: Jan 3rd 2018 at 2:55:39 PM

and they replied with the natural response: dump fighters and swarm the enemy.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

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