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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#1: Feb 18th 2011 at 7:28:06 PM

Not convinced this is a good name, but I was about the only one objecting to it in the YKTTW so I'm willing to file it under Just Bugs Me. In the meantime, can we get a quick snowclone evaluation of the title?

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#2: Feb 18th 2011 at 7:36:21 PM

I like the concept, the name matches in a clever sort of way, I'm just not sure if we should keep it since it seems unwieldy, on the other hand it's one of the few snowclones I'd approve of.

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Worldmaker Title? What Title? Since: Jun, 2010
Title? What Title?
#3: Feb 19th 2011 at 7:57:54 AM

When I launched it I went with the name I did purely because the other options were made of Suck and Despair. Its a snowclone, but its not one of the utterly overdone and tiresome snowclones, so I figured what the heck.

If a better name comes along, that's cool.

Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
CrypticMirror Cryptic Mirror from Scotland Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Feb 19th 2011 at 8:01:49 AM

its a good name, and TRS should not be used as a back up for "I didn't get my way in YKTTW" as it often seems to be.

edited 19th Feb '11 8:02:01 AM by CrypticMirror

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#5: Feb 19th 2011 at 2:24:36 PM

I do rather like the name, honestly. Snowclones should generally be avoided, but it doesn't mean they're automatically bad.

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troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#6: Feb 19th 2011 at 2:32:03 PM

I don't know about the "Harsh" bit. Is this a harsh trope?

Rhymes with "Protracted."
mmysqueeant I'm A Dirty Cowboy from Essairrrrcks Since: Oct, 2010
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#7: Feb 19th 2011 at 5:18:06 PM

Definitely fails the "Guess that trope" test, for me.

EDIT: Ok, having seen it now...what?

No.

What.

How is the name indicative of the trope? I was thinking of suicide scenes on a high balcony, that kind of thing. The only way that this relates that I can see is in assuming that there is an irresistible force slightly similar to gravity operating on the people involved.

EDIT 2: Ok, having reread it I noticed it was about "after they fall", not just people in general. That's O.K. I suppose, I'd still never guess it.

I couldn't think of a better name for that trope (Falling In Love is too vague, and implies that the [Frequent] romantic outcomes of the trope are inevitable, and that's the best one I could think of), so I guess it stays.

Could there be a bit more set-up explaining how this occurs? It seems to be important to the meaning of it.

edited 19th Feb '11 5:25:28 PM by mmysqueeant

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#8: Feb 19th 2011 at 8:16:58 PM

Try not to snowclone unless the tropes are related guys.

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Worldmaker Title? What Title? Since: Jun, 2010
Title? What Title?
#9: May 29th 2011 at 5:41:51 AM

Still doesn't make it a bad name.

Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
Dragon Writer
#10: May 29th 2011 at 9:41:41 AM

Hey, let's do a differential. Back in February this was fresh from launch. Three months later, we have ...
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...just three wikilinks? Two indexes plus one article.

Wow, did this one drop off the wiki radar.

edited 29th May '11 9:43:19 AM by Stratadrake

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#11: May 29th 2011 at 9:45:07 AM

YKTTW doesn't pay attention, which makes a lot of work for TRS. Anyway. Title sucks. Title isn't working. Howabout Lewd Collision.

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Catalogue A pocketful of saudade. from where the good times are Since: Sep, 2009
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#12: May 29th 2011 at 9:51:07 AM

Might that indicate the name is not effective?

I can't think of any name. Falling To A Suggestive Position?

edited 29th May '11 9:52:25 AM by Catalogue

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JoieDeCombat Since: May, 2009
#13: May 29th 2011 at 10:21:41 AM

I tried, but I couldn't guess what the trope was about from the title beyond apparently being connected to Gravity Is a Harsh Mistress.

Maybe Suggestive Collision?

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#14: May 29th 2011 at 10:31:09 AM

Gravity Induced Embrace?

The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.
troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#15: May 29th 2011 at 8:23:07 PM

Lewd Collision sounds okay to me, I guess.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#16: May 29th 2011 at 8:33:09 PM

Lack of wicks can indicate a number of things, only one of which is a non-working name, but this name is pretty bad for this trope.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#18: May 30th 2011 at 3:51:00 AM

[up][up]In this case it indicates there were a poor job when launching it. It seems there was not try to get some wicks from even the initial examples.

But, yeah, the name is bad.

Worldmaker Title? What Title? Since: Jun, 2010
Title? What Title?
#19: May 30th 2011 at 7:21:17 AM

[up]Not really... its just all the alternative suggestions were even worse.

Lewd Impact.

Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#20: May 30th 2011 at 3:46:14 PM

Should there be a single prop? Someone did express support for the name, back in February.

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Worldmaker Title? What Title? Since: Jun, 2010
Title? What Title?
#21: May 31st 2011 at 4:21:08 AM

There are, in fact, a couple of people who've said they like the name.

Being in a Japanese-produced work is not enough of a difference to warrant its own trope.
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#22: May 31st 2011 at 6:07:51 AM

At first, I was wondering how is this a snowclone. And then I looked closer at the name...no wonder. It's way too close to it's "Mistress" counterpart.

I wish YKTTW was better at these sort of things.

LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#23: May 31st 2011 at 2:25:30 PM

I made a single proposition rename crowner here since I think some people have registered complaints about renaming it so I do not believe we can go straight to alternative titles.

That being said, I think the trope probably should be renamed. I feel like the current name is a bit awkwardly phrased, especially the "harsh seductress" part.

edited 31st May '11 2:25:50 PM by LouieW

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Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#24: Jun 1st 2011 at 3:22:52 AM

Gravity Is A Harsh Seductress would be characters getting vertigo while looking over a great height and falling to their doom, something like that. That's harsh.

Doesn't work for people falling, tripping or colliding and ending up in an amusingly suggestive position. That's not harsh, and the word gravity isn't telling us what's happening. The seductress idea could work — a nominally impersonal force as risqué matchmaker — but that's not quite "seductive".

Lewd Collision is shorter, simpler and clearer.

edited 1st Jun '11 3:30:02 AM by Camacan

Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#25: Jun 6th 2011 at 9:47:51 PM

It's been stable in the +16 to -3 zone for several days. Swapping with an alt-names crowner.

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31st May '11 2:23:12 PM

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