Spider-Man General Discussion

You didn't like Spider-Monkey?

He was an excellent pun and harkened back to the golden age of comics, aka every time Hit-Monkey showed up.

I spit on the grave of the man who doesn't think Bearded Captain Universe Spidey is the sickest.

If you don't like Mayday then I don't know whats wrong with you

He said all the fun Spider-MEN, not the fun Spider-Girls. Or monkeys. Or pigs. Or, you get the idea.

Also, for the love of all that's holy, don't kill the Spider-Man who fought crime unmasked with his dear dad Jonah Jameson in a Spider-Slayer suit.

edited 12th Dec '14 4:56:22 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Oop, good point

When asked if Spider-Boy would appear in Spider-Verse, Dan Slott replied "Oh yeah, DC is going to let us do that, I'm sure. Let me call my DC contact right now.

Since Marvel and DC are now joined by nothing but their love of massacre, they should just team up already to make a Infinity Crisis Wars Where Marvel and DC Brutally Murder Each Other Holy Shit We Kill Everyone event.

edited 12th Dec '14 4:59:33 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

AND THEN TIME BREAKS OR WHATEVER. CALM DOWN NERDS, NOTHING MATTERS. BUT BUY EVERY ISSUE, IT MATTERS A LOT.

We'll see who's laughing when all I read is Squirrel Girl, Ms Marvel and Rocket Raccoon

It'll be me laughing

because of the humor and lack of massacre in those comics.

For now.

shhhh shhhhh

let me dream

On a funnier note, that is an extremely unflattering picture of Harry on the characters page thar.

@Hamburger Time: Part of the reason it's hard to avoid Replacement Scrappy status for Brand New Day and on love interests is that the primary message of OMD was never ever care about about Peter Parker's love life. Additionally, in comics new supporting characters tend to have a relatively short shelf life. While staple supporting characters can endure for generations, a lot of supporting characters tend to vanish completely when the writing team changes.

Also, people tend not to like being told that they are supposed to like a certain character when that character hasn't earned it. It works the same with villains, sure sometimes you get a big push villain that sticks like Venom, but a lot of the time you wind up with someone more like the second Doctor Octopus or Judas Traveler. A lot of the time you have a character where there is so much focus on making them "cool" they forget to give any real heart to them.

I think the only way you could have a new love interest work for Spider-Man now would be to either use an existing character that hasn't really been a love interest for Peter before, or introduce a new character, but not as a love interest. The former lets you use the existing material with the character to build on and comes with a preexisting fan base. The latter makes the journey feel like it's actually worth something and might be able to make people forget that we were blatantly told to never, ever care about Peter Parker's love life ever again.

I don't know how well their ages would match up and the being from different universes is a bit of a problem, but Spider-Gwen almost feels like the perfect Puzzle piece. You have a new character, but due to being a version of an old character you have a nice blend of something new and something nostalgic. There is plenty of reason for both to approach such a relationship with trepidation as there is both pain at what they lost and a sense that this isn't my Peter/Gwen and it lets you do a Peter has a love interest that also has Spider-Powers with a character people actually give a damn about.

Agreed. I think a lot of writers want to show everyone their idea for a new character, but because they're so convinced it's a good idea, they forget to really "sell" the character, y'know? I don't think this is anything more than an honest mistake on the writers' part, though; after all, it must be exciting to introduce a new character.

I brought it up on reddit, and apparently was bashed over the head with the idea that Gwen was 16, and Pete was almost 30.

edited 12th Dec '14 11:48:40 PM by SonOfSharknado

I agree, it is usually an honest mistake. No one sets out to make Wesley Crusher. Sometimes people can even look back on a character that almost no one liked and manage to sell them even after the damage had been done. Two examples that spring to mind are Bashir from DS 9 and Kaine Parker. I don't think it's ever too late to sell a character, it's just harder when the initial pitch falls flat.

Was a number missed, because it really doesn't make sense for Gwen to be 1.

edited 12th Dec '14 11:48:20 PM by Bigmaddraco

Shush. What are you talking about?

Yeah, a 30-year-old dating a teenager is skeevy and gross. So Peter and Spider-Gwen as a couple would definitely be a no-no. Besides, I'd much prefer Spider-Gwen's series be set in her own world. I want more of the Mary Janes!

Edit: Ninja-edit spoiled my joke. Curse you ninja-edit!

edited 12th Dec '14 11:50:22 PM by Tiamatty

This phenomenon isn't limited to Love Interests; in the cosmic-scale stories I've observed a phenomenon I like to call "My omnipotent being could beat up your omnipotent being," which is just what it sounds like.

edited 12th Dec '14 11:50:13 PM by HamburgerTime

Why is it that in every universe other than 616 Peter knew Gwen and/or MJ in high school? Ultimate universe, both movie-verses, Spectacular Spider-Man, TV Ultimate Spider-Man, etc.

Easier.

Part of the problem is that nobody wants to take the time to set up a love interest as a character first and foremost.

Gwen and Mary Jane were around forever before they got romantically involved with Peter. And the time scale of the comics back then wasn't as glacial.

In fact, we had an example of that very thing in the recent issue of Amazing. It's like they're going down a checklist or something.

edited 12th Dec '14 11:54:46 PM by illegalcheese

I like Morlun's dad's design at least. Has sort of a Top God feel to it. Zeus-esque.

@Son Of Sharknado: I think even OMD forgot that Peter met MJ in College as billionaire Peter referred to a woman he knew in high school. His only high school love interest was Betty Brant.

He does look imposing. Like Daemos, but scaled up and actually monstrous, which is the right direction.

edited 13th Dec '14 12:04:37 AM by illegalcheese

Now, I wrote this before the similar reaction between the two in Spider-Verse.

edited 13th Dec '14 12:25:11 AM by SonOfSharknado