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KnitTie Since: Mar, 2015
#23826: Oct 9th 2015 at 3:00:02 AM

[up]When did the media ever not love narratives more than reality?

edited 9th Oct '15 3:00:21 AM by KnitTie

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#23827: Oct 9th 2015 at 3:01:00 AM

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When your country is utterly irrelevant. There's no narrative needed. It's just cold and boring.

edited 9th Oct '15 3:01:26 AM by TerminusEst

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#23828: Oct 9th 2015 at 4:01:48 AM

It won't add much to the debate, but this week Martin Weill, who is a reporter for Le Petit Journal (a French semi-satirical news show heavily inspired by Jon Stewart) is in Syria, among the rebels that are both fighting Al-Assad and ISIS. Of course he is not here to give us a proper analysis of the conflict (since he gets 5 minutes everyday), but watching him interview two girls that aren't even 20 or three French guys that have no link whatsoever with Syria but decided to come fighting because that was "the right thing to do" - one was an architect, one was a waiter, neither were in the military ever before - helps...I don't know, "humanizing" the conflict.

From France the most we hear about it is Al-Assad vs. ISIS, so Evil vs Evil, and when we hear or French fighters here they joined ISIS.

Plus, Weill is barely older than I am, and he is travelling in war zones to conduct interviews, explaining how they will have trouble getting away because Turkey closed its border. I kinda feel like I'm doing nothing with my life after watching him.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#23829: Oct 9th 2015 at 4:57:09 AM

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The way completely unrelated people identify with foreign conflicts and causes, is fascinating to say the least. Can't say I wouldn't do the same in some cases.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#23832: Oct 9th 2015 at 7:05:03 AM

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Fairly certain the SAA and Russia knew that would happen. It would be incredibly blind for them to not realise it.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#23833: Oct 9th 2015 at 7:35:15 AM

Sure? Predicting the military effects of an action in the fog of war is hardly an exact science.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
FFShinra Beware the Crazy Man. from Ivalice, apparently Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
#23834: Oct 9th 2015 at 8:22:40 AM

No, but Daesh is consistant in its actions. Still, it's going to hurt them in the end. Either they spread themselves too thin and can't hold Raqqa from the imminent campaign from the Kurds, or, not wanting that to happen, they only take limited advantage of the vacuum.

Also, if its on the rebel-Daesh front near Aleppo, those gains are gonna be limited by virtue of Assad to the south and the Canton of Afrin further west. In essence, all that does is negate the plan for a northern safe zone, which Obama never fully embraced anyway.

edited 9th Oct '15 8:24:42 AM by FFShinra

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#23835: Oct 9th 2015 at 12:43:36 PM

Nobel Peace Prize for Tunisian National Dialogue Quartet A deserving recognition of the Arab Spring's only success. I suspect when historians look back on the Spring they will view it as a failure and proof that the Arabs cannot handle democracy. Already I'm hearing people say that Putin's right,that the Arab's aren't "ready for democracy."

edited 9th Oct '15 12:49:01 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#23836: Oct 9th 2015 at 12:47:25 PM

Bloody well deserved.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#23837: Oct 9th 2015 at 1:38:10 PM

Democracy is hard

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FFShinra Beware the Crazy Man. from Ivalice, apparently Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
#23838: Oct 9th 2015 at 2:43:58 PM

The collective Hope Spot of the Arab Spring.

...Perhaps that should be added to the trope list. :P

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#23839: Oct 9th 2015 at 2:46:28 PM

Not until it fails, I think.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
FFShinra Beware the Crazy Man. from Ivalice, apparently Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
#23840: Oct 9th 2015 at 3:22:33 PM

what's the trope if it doesn't fail?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#23842: Oct 9th 2015 at 5:34:08 PM

Earn Your Happy Ending?

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#23843: Oct 9th 2015 at 5:50:22 PM

[up] That was actually the same I had in mind and considered posting.

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
FFShinra Beware the Crazy Man. from Ivalice, apparently Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
#23844: Oct 9th 2015 at 6:13:16 PM

Adding it to the page.

<grumbles that anyone is welcome to contribute>

EDIT- Tunisia now has exactly two tropes associated with it.

edited 9th Oct '15 6:18:47 PM by FFShinra

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#23845: Oct 9th 2015 at 6:30:55 PM

Libya's governments could be holding unity votes soon, so there's that.

FFShinra Beware the Crazy Man. from Ivalice, apparently Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
#23846: Oct 9th 2015 at 7:51:15 PM

Don't get too hopeful about that. As soon as the UN announced it, most M Ps (on both sides) said it was premature. It was ironically a sentiment that strongly unified them if I recall the article correctly.

Which strangely leaves hope that there will eventually be a deal, just not this one.

edited 9th Oct '15 7:51:38 PM by FFShinra

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#23847: Oct 9th 2015 at 8:04:01 PM

Yeah, you'd think if they had no intention of negotiating they would treat the possibility of reconciliation with more derision.

KnitTie Since: Mar, 2015
#23848: Oct 10th 2015 at 2:55:43 AM

And here I thought that all actual Nobel Peace Prizes were grievous insults to the idea.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#23849: Oct 10th 2015 at 2:57:01 AM

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Peace is relative.

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Ramidel (Before Time Began) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#23850: Oct 10th 2015 at 5:33:37 AM

Terminus Est: I can relate. My ex-stepfather tried to run away to join Fidel Castro's rebellion when he was a teenager.

A lot of people see a romantic-looking cause and think "that's where I belong," especially if they feel marginalized and unappreciated at home.

edited 10th Oct '15 5:33:50 AM by Ramidel

I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.

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