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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: Jan 7th 2011 at 8:50:06 PM

Found out about the trope The Good Captain when I made this ykttw. Now I'm not trying to change this trope to get that trope in there. I'm not above merging them if they were the same. In fact, I would insist on renaming if they were merged.

The thing is this trope apparently has a few possible definitions. One is about giving superhero names starting with "captain". If that is the case, the trope title seems like a benevolent leader, more than just a naming convention. Another possible definition is that putting "captain" at the beginning of your title denotes goodness, which I guess is separate, but even then the name implies only half the trope.

Anyway, I'd like to discuss this trope, get the definition clear, get a better name if it turns out the current one doesn't fit, and then I can see if that ykttw I made is redundant (which means I will gladly discard as we already have it) or separate.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#2: Jan 7th 2011 at 9:10:46 PM

The clearest statement of tropishness I can find on The Good Captain is this: "The upshot of this is that characters whose names begin with "Captain" are almost always good, unless explicitly subverting this or a Nazi"; i.e., in superhero works, characters named Captain [Whatever] can be presumed to be on the Good Guys' side unless they are explictily stated to be Bad at some point.

So your YKTTW is closely related, but not the same.

edited 7th Jan '11 9:11:44 PM by Madrugada

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#3: Jan 7th 2011 at 9:16:06 PM

Captain Super would be a better name. This is one of those tropes that benefits from a more restrictive name.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#4: Jan 7th 2011 at 9:22:42 PM

[up]You know, I remember a Whos The Boss episode, where it mentioned a fake superhero by that name. I just don't feel right making that show the trope namer.

edited 7th Jan '11 9:22:52 PM by DragonQuestZ

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#5: Jan 8th 2011 at 9:29:46 AM

The whoesy what now? I just made that shit up.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#6: Jan 10th 2011 at 9:10:47 AM

I was just commenting on the coincidence. Anyway, this trope is apparently about personality plus name, so a title should make that clear.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#8: Jan 11th 2011 at 12:56:42 PM

[up] That could work.

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Treblain Not An Avatar Since: Nov, 2012
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#9: Jan 11th 2011 at 8:26:16 PM

Captain Righteous will be mistaken for a real superhero.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#10: Jan 11th 2011 at 8:28:10 PM

But as far as I can tell, the trope is about superheroes. Unless I'm reading it wrong.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#11: Jul 13th 2011 at 4:38:59 PM

[up]That's what I got, too. Several examples would fit better in The Captain.

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Auxdarastrix Since: May, 2010
#12: Jul 13th 2011 at 5:02:28 PM

Yeah, this trope reads like it should be about superheroes that are named captain for no apparent reason, like Captain America and Captain Planet.

However, it looks like lots of the examples are characters like Captain Kirk and Captain Picard that are named captains because that is the military rank they hold or are captains of a ship. I say make this Captain Superhero and send the non-superhero examples to The Captain

ChaoticNovelist Since: Jun, 2010
#13: Aug 21st 2011 at 6:59:02 PM

Nevermind the previous. Captain Super Hero was launched. Are we done here?

edited 21st Aug '11 7:03:16 PM by ChaoticNovelist

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#14: Aug 21st 2011 at 7:09:51 PM

Wait, so now we have this and Captain Superhero at the same time? Looks like some wires got badly crossed there.

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