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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
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#26: Dec 21st 2010 at 2:48:37 PM

No, thiers is military coups...

Oh duh. Shouldn't conflate the two, me.

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BalloonFleet MASTER-DEBATER from Chicago, IL, USA Since: Jun, 2010
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#27: Dec 21st 2010 at 4:04:37 PM

And also, colonialism is sort of an age in the past. The problem is not ongoing, so there is no purpose in violence. If you want to talk about debt-slavery...

here re. French colonialism http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/inside-frances-secret-war-396062.html

As for oppression of regional languages... thats a different issue, and one I know nothing of. But again its nothing a determined enough political movement couldn't put right, as you have that power in a democracy.

Doesn't work too well if the majority tries to fuck over minorities using their numbers. E.g. cultural suppression.

edited 21st Dec '10 4:06:44 PM by BalloonFleet

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Tsukubus I Care Not... from [REDACTED] Since: Aug, 2010
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#28: Dec 21st 2010 at 4:08:25 PM

We already knew Francois Mitterrand was an incompetent, evil, paranoid, tyrannical fool.

edited 21st Dec '10 4:09:49 PM by Tsukubus

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FrodoGoofballCoTV from Colorado, USA Since: Jan, 2001
#30: Dec 21st 2010 at 4:17:48 PM

news about crimes can't take up more than 20% of the total amount of news in any news program in any kind of media
This is... easily the stupidest thing I have heard in more than a month. Which for me, is saying something. This sort of thing is exactly why I tend to sympathize with libertarians.

My condolances.

edited 21st Dec '10 4:18:26 PM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#31: Dec 21st 2010 at 4:57:46 PM

I am unsure about minority languages. On the one hand they are an important part of a cultures identity.

On the other, they are used for communication and if you can't do that with a lot of people its pretty pointless, and such localised languages tend to be fodder for the very worst sort of nationalists.

BalloonFleet MASTER-DEBATER from Chicago, IL, USA Since: Jun, 2010
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#32: Dec 21st 2010 at 5:09:50 PM

On the other, they are used for communication and if you can't do that with a lot of people its pretty pointless, and such localised languages tend to be fodder for the very worst sort of nationalists.

Well the purpose of the regional languages is simply nationalism, it identifies a nation of group and shows they are different. It also relatedly acts as an "in-group" marker - e.g. you get cheaper shit if you're from the same nation (e.g. Shanghai vendors who are cheaper if you can speak the local version of Wu, Shanghaiese).

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Tsukubus I Care Not... from [REDACTED] Since: Aug, 2010
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#33: Dec 21st 2010 at 6:09:24 PM

Or Shanghai vendors who won't sell to you. (A fun experience I've had.)

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#34: Dec 21st 2010 at 7:15:55 PM

The government is moving towards a dictatorship. If the trend continues I see no reason why violence is not an option.

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#35: Dec 21st 2010 at 7:36:51 PM

Sounds like Hungary needs a new constitution

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Sati1984 Browncoat from Hungary Since: May, 2010
#36: Dec 22nd 2010 at 1:37:03 AM

A news from yesterday: The debate over a new law regulating strikes was going on, when the government all of a sudden stopped the debate and initiated the vote. Lots of other politicians wanted to speak, but they didn't let them.

A member of the opposition, who also prepared with a speech but couldn't tell it, said the following to the representatives of the government: "Go fuck yourselves."

They proceeded with the vote and the bill has passed with the wording of the government.

I have no freakin' comment about this...

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DasAuto Sapere Aude from Eastphalia Since: Jul, 2009
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#37: Dec 22nd 2010 at 2:32:38 AM

I just read up on your system of government. Unicameral legislatives are made of fail when dominated by just one party. It just has LOL ABUSE ME written all over it.

Oh, and the media law made minor new here. The "The EU complains about X" kind of news.

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Sati1984 Browncoat from Hungary Since: May, 2010
#38: Dec 22nd 2010 at 2:38:37 AM

Can the EU actually do something about anything for a change?

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Tsukubus I Care Not... from [REDACTED] Since: Aug, 2010
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#39: Dec 22nd 2010 at 2:49:27 AM

Westminister parliamentary systems, and by definition, most parliamentary systems, are for all intents and purposes, unicameral. It's not like the House of Lords would ever shoot down supply or anything. The minority is almost always irrelevant in a parliamentary system; this is an inherent, universal reality.

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Sati1984 Browncoat from Hungary Since: May, 2010
#41: Dec 22nd 2010 at 4:34:25 AM

In the meantime, I've read a few things about Belarus, and I sure hope the Hungarian government won't get ideas from them...

(Basically, in Belarus, every webpage must be registered at the state, and any webpage must be shut down by the hosting companies in 24 hours if the state commands them to. That's net neutrality for ya...)

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EternalSeptember Since: Sep, 2010
#42: Dec 22nd 2010 at 9:01:51 AM

Sounds like Hungary needs a new constitution
evil grin No, it just needs its old constitution.

"news about crimes can't take up more than 20% of the total amount of news in any news program in any kind of media" This is... easily the stupidest thing I have heard in more than a month. Which for me, is saying something. This sort of thing is exactly why I tend to sympathize with libertarians.

Actually, this is one of the more popular changes. I'm not sure if it's better over there, but here, it's one of those typical things what everyone claims to hate about the media, when a news report is 80% about reporting random break-ins, murders, 10% about Yet Another Baby Panda, and 10% politics/world news.

Not saying that it's a good thing - commercial channels should show what people want to see - but people are too busy hoping for higher quality news to be disturbed about the freedom of speech implications.

Here is a much worse one:

From now, 50% of all films on TV must be from Europe, 1/3 of them from Hungary, and 1/3 of all radio music must be Hungarian.

edited 22nd Dec '10 9:19:15 AM by EternalSeptember

DasAuto Sapere Aude from Eastphalia Since: Jul, 2009
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#43: Dec 22nd 2010 at 12:48:03 PM

From now, 50% of all films on TV must be from Europe,
Do we even make that many films in Europe anymore? Good ones, I mean. tongue

Quotas like this are not unusual btw. AFAIK several countries have those, but they are usually limited to public broadcasting channels. It's not that bad and not a crime agianst free speech. It just sucks. tongue

edited 22nd Dec '10 12:50:45 PM by DasAuto

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pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#44: Dec 22nd 2010 at 12:50:08 PM

I pity Hungary for the number of Les Filmes Artistique they will have to import

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OnTheOtherHandle Since: Feb, 2010
#45: Dec 22nd 2010 at 1:57:54 PM

Wow. That..really, really sucks. I'm sorry.

@Eternal September: The thing about crimes vs. politics/world news: what about political crimes? With only 20% of the report being crimes, and the government being as authoritarian as it is, it's likely that the shady dealings of their leaders would never get reported. After all, this whole thing could be considered a crime - an infraction of the people's rights.

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GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#46: Dec 22nd 2010 at 2:02:29 PM

A serious protest movement needs to be organised involving a large percentage of the country before there is no fighting back democratically.

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lordGacek KVLFON from Kansas of Europe Since: Jan, 2001
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#47: Dec 22nd 2010 at 2:12:26 PM

[up][up][up] Eh, they don't have to limit themselves to La Fin Absolue du Monde, they've got a broad spectrum of German (sorry Auto) Hollywood ripoffs.

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OnTheOtherHandle Since: Feb, 2010
#48: Dec 22nd 2010 at 2:27:21 PM

This should get more attention in world news.

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#49: Dec 22nd 2010 at 2:40:43 PM

This won't get much play till the violence or rhetoric get too big. It's an internal matter not much outsiders can do/want to do, unless they call for aid of course.

edited 22nd Dec '10 2:42:17 PM by thatguythere47

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Zarstro Since: Dec, 1969
#50: Dec 22nd 2010 at 2:50:56 PM

Can't you consult your constitutional court?

edited 22nd Dec '10 3:18:25 PM by Zarstro


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