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 501 Deboss, Thu, 31st May '12 4:08:52 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Well, the companies in charge are also charging people out the nose because they can, not just because there's a reason.
 502 Rhyme Beat, Wed, 13th Jun '12 10:14:15 AM from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Twilight Time
This was probably last's week's video but Hard Boiled. I do like the point made there, though I don't encounter this much being mainly an Nintendo fan. But I do know that excessive darkness =/= a good story from other media.
The Saint of Lost Causes
Hard Boiled was last weeks'. Today's is on a bit of a delay.

EDIT: New episode, now with 100% more congressmen.

edited 14th Jun '12 12:30:31 AM by JackAlsworth

 504 Jimmmyman 10, Wed, 20th Jun '12 7:03:39 AM from polan Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
cannot into space
Games you might not have tried PT 4

Artemis sounds like the coolest idea ever.
Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.
 505 VmKid, Wed, 20th Jun '12 11:45:03 AM from Shuggazoom City Relationship Status: Robosexual
Nerdy. Weird. AWESOME.
Agreed. Once my family's new media room thing is done I totally want to get a bunch of friends together and play a game. Most of the other games on this list didn't interest me much.
 506 Spooky Mask, Wed, 11th Jul '12 5:31:37 AM from Corner in round room Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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So what do you think about this show's take on Hero's Journey? I'm kind of conflicted since I happened to have read article against whole thing before this show so...*shrugs*
Time to change the style, for now
 507 Rhyme Beat, Wed, 17th Oct '12 7:01:31 PM from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Twilight Time
Aesthetics of Play.

I find this topic very interesting because it leads me to look at games I like from a different angle. It also contextualizes why there are certain reactions to famous games.

For example the Metroid Series. The games were universally well regarded with the exception of Metroid: Other M a game that fundementally changed the core aesthetics of the series and ended up being heavily polarizing. The latter is notable because mechanically it more closely resembles the original series than the 2D Metroid games in some respects, but the aesthetic core is radically different.

The original 2D games were built on Exploration, Fantasy, and Challenge. You were stranded in the middle of nowhere in a wide open alien planet and your goal was to survive long enough to escape. There were hints of other interesting elements but they didn't really detract from those core three. This is where the Metroid Prime series really shined is taking those core elements and transferring them into an entirely different set of mechanics.

Metroid: Other M on the other hand, though Mechanically similar to both the original series and the Prime series in places gave a HUGE focus on Beauty and Narrative with exploration almost entirely de-emphasized. I think it IS possible to have a game that includes both a strong narrative and a freely explorable world but it takes a less cinematic style of story telling without the flashy cutscenes.

That game also shows how different mechanics can clash if there isn't a solid plan. Team Ninja is a big fan of Nintendo Hard games meaning that there would inevitably be a huge increase in the Challenge which in some ways was a detriment to the Narrative ambitions of the game. Who's willing to bet that the "Adam forgets to authorize Samus's Varia Suit" thing was a result of Team Ninja saying "We want a lava level where Samus doesn't have her Varia Suit for a good chunk of it" and Ishimoto said "Sure." without thinking of how that weakens that narrative. On the other hand Ishimoto's narrative focus meant that he wasn't willing to let the player skip the cutscenes which when combined with the Challenge of the boss fights meant that difficult bosses were an exercise in frustration.

On a lighter note does anyone else want to group their favorite games by these aesthetics?
 508 Shirow Shirow, Wed, 17th Oct '12 7:35:35 PM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
[up] I doubt Team Ninja had much effect on the pacing but I'm no designer.

I'm a Challenge Gamer myself so that aesthetic obviously appeals to me. I'm so glad they made it clear Challenge and Difficulty are two different things. I REALLY hope they do that episode.

Hmmm... My best guesses for Devil May Cry games would be: Challenge thanks to the deep mechanics, Sensation thanks to the detailed character/architecture design. There's also elements of Fantasy and Narrative thanks to Dante being a great Escapist Character. Higher tier players also thrive off of Competition thanks to leaderboards and combo videos.
"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 509 Rhyme Beat, Wed, 17th Oct '12 7:44:18 PM from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Twilight Time
When did I say anything about the pacing?

As for me.

Pokémon: Fantasy, Abdegnation, Competition, possibly Fellowship (if the concept can be applied to element of the game, because I don't see what other category Video Game Caring Potential goes under)

Legend of Zelda: Discovery, Fantasy, Challenge, Narrative (for later entries in the game)

The World Ends with You: Narrative, Fantasy, Challenge, Sensation.

Ace Attorney: Narrative, Challenge, Abdegnation, Fantasy (Doesn't it feel great to act as a hero for justice)

edited 17th Oct '12 8:11:18 PM by RhymeBeat

 510 Shirow Shirow, Wed, 17th Oct '12 7:52:42 PM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
[up] I said the wrong word, and now I can't edit it because you pointed it out. THANKS A LOT.

Abnegananegation is a silly word. I prefer Submission because I can pronounce it.

Street Fighter: Challenge, Competition

Castlevania: Exploration, Fantasy, Sensation, Challenge

Persona: Challenge, Narrative, Expression, Submission

Langrisser: Fantasy, Narrative, Submission, Lust

edited 17th Oct '12 7:52:59 PM by ShirowShirow

"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 511 Rhyme Beat, Wed, 17th Oct '12 7:57:56 PM from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Twilight Time
Which word did you mean?
 512 Shirow Shirow, Wed, 17th Oct '12 8:06:33 PM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
"Progression" I suppose. It was made part of the Narrative.

Elite Beat Agents: Challenge, Narrative

Dragon Quest IX: Fantasy, Submission, Challenge, Narrative, Fellowship, Sensation, Expression, Discovery, wow that's why it's popular.

edited 17th Oct '12 8:07:20 PM by ShirowShirow

"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 513 Rhyme Beat, Wed, 17th Oct '12 8:09:23 PM from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Twilight Time
Gmm... Honestly the issue with the Varia suit thing was that the narrative didn't adress the Authorization thing at all so I suppose it was just poor communication.
 514 Shirow Shirow, Wed, 17th Oct '12 8:11:27 PM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
Other M is a broken game from the inside out. We'll be here all night if we start to dissect it even more than it already has been. Honestly, it should be held up as the Most Triumphant Example of how not to make a sequel.

edited 17th Oct '12 8:12:21 PM by ShirowShirow

"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 515 Shirow Shirow, Fri, 19th Oct '12 10:58:48 AM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
I wonder, does "Immersion" fall under "Fantasy" or would it count as its' own thing?
"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 516 VmKid, Fri, 19th Oct '12 12:02:26 PM from Shuggazoom City Relationship Status: Robosexual
Nerdy. Weird. AWESOME.
[up][up] How not to make a sequel: Trust Team Ninja with one of your oldest IPs and don't expect lots of Jell-O.

[up] I'd think it'd fit under "fantasy" pretty well. After all, immersion is the point that you forget you're playing a game, and are actively "Making Believe".

edited 19th Oct '12 12:03:27 PM by VmKid

 517 Shirow Shirow, Fri, 19th Oct '12 12:42:44 PM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
I suppose you're right... But the way they describe "Fantasy" is seem more like "Be someone you can't be" while Immersion has always been more "Be somewhere you can't be" to me.

edited 19th Oct '12 12:42:59 PM by ShirowShirow

"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 518 VmKid, Fri, 19th Oct '12 6:32:46 PM from Shuggazoom City Relationship Status: Robosexual
Nerdy. Weird. AWESOME.
Characters are as much a part of setting as the locations and time periods are.

When you play through a game of Left 4 Dead 2, you get the feeling like the characters belong where they are. They've been living out the apocalypse for the last four weeks, and their voice lines and models are made to match. The world around them is broken, overrun, and hostile, and you can tell they're victims of it by looking at them. If one of them suddenly became Master Chief, you're no longer immersed, because Master Chief doesn't belong there.

For characters to break immersion, they need to stick out in a way that makes it obvious they don't belong where they are, even given the work's ridiculousness.

edited 19th Oct '12 6:34:28 PM by VmKid

 519 Shirow Shirow, Fri, 19th Oct '12 6:38:02 PM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 520 VmKid, Fri, 19th Oct '12 6:49:22 PM from Shuggazoom City Relationship Status: Robosexual
Nerdy. Weird. AWESOME.
Excuse me, I'm gonna go over here and use my face as a wrecking ball.

Be right back.
 521 Shirow Shirow, Fri, 19th Oct '12 7:01:45 PM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
Mission accomplished! cool
"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 522 Shirow Shirow, Sat, 27th Oct '12 11:47:17 AM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
New EC's on Demos... Argg, I lurve demos. I have been convinced to buy a game via Demo before, Enslaved more specifically. It wasn't nearly as good as the demo made it out to be. Kingdoms Of Amalur similarly, although I flip-flopped on that one for a long time because I still don't know if I like the game or not.

Similarly Dragon's Dogma and Binary Domain are on my to-buy list because of their awesome demos, but both are still like fifty bucks so screw that. [lol]

edited 27th Oct '12 11:48:18 AM by ShirowShirow

"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 523 Demongodofchaos 2, Sun, 28th Oct '12 9:41:38 AM from Reality Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
I am become death, Destroyer of worlds
Asura's Wrath's Demo is what made me love the game so much, just because of the sheer craziness of the situations your in.
I don't fight for good, and I don't fight for evil, I JUST FIGHT!

 524 Shirow Shirow, Sun, 28th Oct '12 4:41:46 PM from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Saintia SHOU!
[up] This is a lie and you know it. [lol] You where freaking out about the game looooooong before the demo was near. [lol]
"Well, of course they'd be "colorful" - they're male battle-whores." - Nomuru2d
 525 Demongodofchaos 2, Sun, 28th Oct '12 5:03:21 PM from Reality Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
I am become death, Destroyer of worlds
It just made it even more so.

And it's legitamate, too.
I don't fight for good, and I don't fight for evil, I JUST FIGHT!

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