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Martial Arts Thread:

Man, humans can be bastards indeed but I gotta ask, are there fighters like Goku in real life?
 
 77 MEPT 72, Sat, 26th Feb '11 11:43:08 AM from Boston, MA
Vote is No
If your straight punch has a wind up you're doing it very wrong. And I'm talking about right cross, your jab should only have a quick 1 inch step with it.

The upper cut has a wind to it in the sense that you drop your hips so you can explode up with your thighs but if your arm is winding back...

Well expect to discover what a shovel hook is.
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"Shovel hook"?

Never heard of that.
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 79 MEPT 72, Sat, 26th Feb '11 2:48:25 PM from Boston, MA
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There's about four forms of it but it's a quick short slightly angled hook designed to "dig" a fighter out who's fighting close (and low). If you've got a good lead up a hooker-cut is more effective, so if you know the guy's coming in a Hooker-cut will give a lot of power and is kinda hard to get away from without stepping back.
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are there fighters like Goku in real life?
That depends on what you're asking. There are no aliens, or people who can blow up the solar system. There are ridiculously muscular ones or ones who do it just for fun.

But yeah, winding up a punch is like holding a big sign that says "I'm wide open, please hit me".

edited 26th Feb '11 2:51:48 PM by LolipodDistortion

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 81 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 26th Feb '11 4:28:53 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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The Wind up also known as Telegraphing. Can be as obvious as reaching back for a punch or as subtle as a shift in footing. The more you train and learn various moves the more likely you are to spot them.

You should also learn some ground work and basic take downs. Sometimes it is better to take a guy to the ground then to stay standing and trade blows. Big guys are fun when your 5' 9" and under. Being the Monkey on the back has it's advantages.
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 82 MEPT 72, Sat, 26th Feb '11 5:08:58 PM from Boston, MA
Vote is No
Downside to being the small guy.

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 83 Kino, Sat, 26th Feb '11 5:15:04 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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^I could never box; tried it once, it was like handicapping myself.
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Yeah, boxing doesn't seem that fun.

I wonder if there are tournaments around town I could enter.

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 85 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 26th Feb '11 5:36:48 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Boxing is still useful to learn. Many of the blows your learn carry over very nicely into other martial arts. Tell you what if you ever land full on uppercut that really puts the clamp on someone.
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 86 Kino, Sat, 26th Feb '11 5:37:29 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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^So true
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What I wonder how a boxer would do in a full fight with kicking, grappling, dirty stuff, etc.
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 88 Kino, Sat, 26th Feb '11 5:53:56 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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^Probably ply to their strengths; punch, don't' get taken down.
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My physics teacher is of the opinion that a wrestler is the absolute worse person to go up in a fight against.
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 90 Kino, Sat, 26th Feb '11 6:00:27 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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 91 MEPT 72, Sat, 26th Feb '11 6:21:23 PM from Boston, MA
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People can fake striking skills enough to play to a physical advantage, but if you don't know what you're doing it's hard to accomplish anything if the grappler gets you to the ground.

See the problem when people evaluate a lot of fighting styles as self defense it's in context of how they'd do against trained fighters. Fact of the matter is most street fights bar fights etc won't be against MMA masters but instead against a guy who wrestled for 2 weeks 10 years ago before he got cut by the team.

Against an untrained fighter knowing how to move with a good base, strike quickly avoid and counter strike. Most of the fights I've seen break out the opening shot is either a hammer fist arm punch, or a wild over the shoulder wind mill.
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MEPT: That sounds incredibly amusing to watch.

Kino: Because they know how to get you to the ground and stop you from doing anything quickly. He said basically if you make one screw up you're done. Keep in mind that this is his opinion, not mine.
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 93 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 26th Feb '11 6:26:45 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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I would have to agree on Mepts view. Most guys you will go against in random physical altercations will be rough and sloppy brawlers. Watch out for that windmill. Lol. You should still assume your opponent can fight though. No sense in underestimating them.
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 94 Kino, Sat, 26th Feb '11 6:26:47 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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@MEPT@ So fuckin true; it's usually the ones who don't know how to fight that surprise you the most; I remember biting a kid to win a fight when I was 6.[lol]

^That's assuming they get you to the ground; he could get knocked out before that. There's a reason I learned to sprawl.
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So should we just make a seperate thread for fighting talk and rerail this into martial arts?
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 96 Kino, Sat, 26th Feb '11 6:55:49 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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They're related.
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Yeah, but they're two different discussions.

Back on topic, one of the things I'm most excited about join the Marines is learning MCMAP.
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 98 Jace, Sat, 26th Feb '11 7:43:54 PM from the Great White North
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@MEPT 72: In my lessons the words "on the street" come up before most techniques. We're taught how to fight against regular people, not other fighters. On that note, we often train against attacks untrained people use - push up against a wall by your collar, strangle, etc.
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 99 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sat, 26th Feb '11 8:26:44 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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For collar grabs. Yes please put your wrists and fingers where I can readily get at them >:3
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 100 MEPT 72, Sat, 26th Feb '11 9:46:46 PM from Boston, MA
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I'm not talking about how your trained, but instead how people perceive fighting styles.

"Boxing is useless too restrained." well yeah but most people aren't good enough fighters to take advantage of your lack of rounded fighting skills.

"TKD is a shit martial art, look how poorly it's done in MMA" well yeah it's not a perfect form, but if you kick someone in the face odds are he hasn't learned to defend it.

If you're good at highschool/college style wrestling you'd be able to put a guy on the ground and, what worst case just hold him down, or there's the option of trying to get the guy to give up with a submission hold or just ground and pound.

So yeah this forms might not stack up well against trained fighters, there's something to say for knowing how to do one or two things really well. Knowing how to step out of someone's range and use a 1-2 combo, or how to do a double leg take down, or the aforementioned kick to the face.
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