Complete Monster: Trying too hard?

Okay.

We've got this guy named Dover, who's an ally of the main character. Initially, the main character thinks he's a harmless eccentric CIA agent who occasionally assists in battle, but when the Myth Arc kick offs and people start targeting the main character due to his threat to the bad guy's conspiracy, Dover reveals how bad he is:

• A) Causes intentionally painful and slow deaths for enemies [flaying them alive, coating his bullets in flesh-eating bacteria and shooting for non-lethal parts, various old Medieval-style tortures sped up for quicker deaths, and that's if he just doesn't toss you into the nearest vaguely pointy object and douse you all over with Drano, and yes, he does worse to random mooks].
• B) When one of the underlings to the main villain (who is incidentally a dragon) targets the anti-heroes, Dover murders her entire family. Yes, there's a youngest, he's 10. Dover breaks his legs and slowly beheads him, and throws the head at said underling (It's a Shout-Out to Apocalypse Now - the moar you know). And that's the most pleasant death the family members get.
• C) To said underling [who, while being a major pain in the ass for the main character and has supposedly done war crimes, if Dover's correct], he keeps her alive and crippled [how? by slowly removing her limbs, teeth, and anything that could be used for locomotion, bit by bit by bit] and constantly has pointy objects sent through her for the rest of her life [or at least, as long as Dover lives]. Yes, It Makes Sense in Context.

There's worse that he does, but I haven't fully planned them out - and to his insistence, he doesn't target civilians and innocents [he bitches Armitage out twice for accidentally causing the deaths of civilians, something Armitage normally doesn't do].

edited 30th Nov '10 9:27:05 PM by JackMackerel

and to his insistence, he doesn't target civilians and innocents

Now, now. You'll never make a Complete Monster with that sort of attitude.

I know. He's that weird.

However, looking through that huge wall of text very closely (use a couple of these to do single linebreaks: \\), the phrase "Dover murders her entire family. Yes, there's a youngest, he's 10." seems to contradict it entirely.

If you want a Complete Monster, that's pretty well into the territory and doesn't seem too over-the-top to me.

edited 30th Nov '10 9:12:41 PM by Leradny

The young'un in question was in the process of getting turned into a bioweapon and was trying to follow in his sister's footsteps, but yeah.

Also, thanks.

edited 30th Nov '10 9:27:26 PM by JackMackerel

To be a Complete Monster there has to be absolutely no excuse, redeeming qualities, or remorse. He's not a complete monster till he kills some young uns that are actually innocent.

Edit: Ninja'd.

edited 30th Nov '10 9:37:22 PM by Slan

Exactly. A Complete Monster is a person whose reasons/excuses/motives are no longer sufficient to explain why they do what they do. They do it because they want to, or because they're insane.

Or they do have a weapon, it just doesn't come close to justifying their actions. Although, I guess that can go with insane.

I've always wondered if my own zombies, known simply as the Reapers, would qualify as Complete Monsters. They are cruel without cause, exist without reason, and act without care. And the worse part: It appears that everyone becomes one after death.

Zombies in general are simply The Virus given human form. Strictly speaking, a virus can't be a Complete Monster because it's only doing what nature (or design) intended for it to do: infect and spread. The fact that everyone becomes one afterwards is even less considerable, because it ensures that every single zombie is a Woobie.

If they're sentient and fully aware, yeah, it counts.

Well, there is no virus creating them as they just start appearing as the reanimated bodies of those who have died. And even though they don't speak (or even moan) their insidious grin is enough to drive most people insane. Granted it's hard to tell if they're aware of what they're doing, their actions seem to be deliberate and independent of outside control.

So, there's a lot of evil to go around in here, I think the complete monsters are fine.

edited 6th Dec '10 10:44:11 PM by Faramir

Dover's not a Complete Monster if he doesn't target innocents. Period. Do you need him to be one? It'll be odd for him to be an ally of your heroes if he is.