Game of Thrones [Potential Book Spoilers]

Heheh, get a load of this:

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Yes, wishing death on a the showrunners is hilarious.

I agree. That was pretty awesome.

It's not really serious enough to be taken... seriously.

The fedora is strong with this one.

But then again, it was posted on where? 4chan?

edited 26th Jun '14 7:59:12 PM by LogoP

Aye, /tv/. Not exactly the perfect place for unbiased analysis of the show, but there's some funny conversation to be found.

The Image Boards are so unintentionally hilarious.

edited 26th Jun '14 9:52:28 PM by LogoP

Implying that D+D would ever invite Stephen Dillane to a premiere or an awards show.

Why not?

Dillane did an interview saying that D&D don't tell him much about his character or role in the story and he is essentially flown in for his scenes and flown out. He's not kept in the know and it's not like he's in much promo for anything

That pisses me off so goddamn much.

Oh boy here we go.

edited 27th Jun '14 1:17:03 AM by GAP

Perhaps they've come to an agreement for things to be like this. Like, he's that type of actor.

I could look in my archive on tumblr for the linked interview but Dillane talks about other roles he has and it seemed to me that it was a D&D thing because in his other works he's more included in the whatever happens offscreen.

I think he is also doing a cop drama while he's working on thrones.

@12063: That was really funny, doubly so because whoever wrote it was probably serious.

Irrelevant, very irrelevant but i've been re-watching the past two episodes of GOT on You Tube lately. There seems to be much butthurt amongst some book readers who claim that the Sandor/Brienne fight was OOC, not at all faithful to the books and "feminist fanservice". What do you think?

Crossposting from the ASOIAF thread.

That doesn't even make any sense. They needed some kind of climax to Brienne's arc without Stoneheart and thus threw in a fight with Sandor. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with her winning, she's already shown herself to be one of the best fighters in the realm at Renly's tournament.

The solution would have been to have Stoneheart, but noooooooooooooo.

Anyway, I don't think Brienne vs. Sandor was particularly out of character, just unnecessary. And there's at least a plausible explanation for Brienne winning in that the Hound had several uncleaned wounds.

Go T hasn't been doing feminist fanservice when it comes to Brienne. If there's any character that such a term could remotely apply to, it's Cersei, who is deliberately made more sympathetic and thus tumblr feminists latch onto her. What I loved about book!Cersei was her unrepentantly and corrosively evil personality. Despite having a sad backstory, she's a murderous bitch through and through, with no hope of a High-Heel–Face Turn and no desire for one if the opportunity arose. Instead, the showrunners either eliminate some of her unsympathetic actions, give them to Joffrey, or invent scenes to make Jaime look worse. Moreover, in the books, she is quite explicitly a bad parent and one who is completely oblivious to Joffrey's failings.

edited 27th Jun '14 6:32:57 PM by CrimsonZephyr

I 100% agree with Crimson. So I think makes three times for that.

And to add to Brienne: she's been very ooc if we're talking about her personality and/or feminist fanservice. The show has a terribly male ideal of "feminist" characterization that it plays into and it's the "I'm not like other girls" ideology.

"most girls are idiots" "what are you a woman" etc etc

I honestly want Book!Cersei; the Cersei that dismisses Joffrey vivisecting a pregnant cat, the Cersei that had Qyburn torture noblemen to death in the Black Cells; the Cersei that forces Tommen to personally beat servants; the Cersei that pushed her best friend down a well because she had a crush on Jaime.

I don't want Feminist-Icon!Cersei, who lectures the audience on what a terrible place it is for women. We know that, already, and it sounds disingenuous coming from her.

Cersei in the books, in her point of view chapters, does think quite a lot about how unfair the world of Westeros is to women (and, in particular, to her), and how she'd be taken much more seriously if she were a man. The show's simply externalizing some of her internal monologues - she tells Tywin he doesn't take her seriously because she's a woman, rather than merely thinking it after his death. It's an intrinsic part of adapting a work, since internal monologues can't be effectively communicated in a typical TV show format.

She's not "lecturing the audience" on what Westeros is like - she's expressing her own views. Which I would assess as hypocritical rather than disingenuous - she does believe that women are discriminated against in Westeros (and she's very right), but she doesn't care or even think about that beyond how it affects her and her immediate family.

She's still a clearly villainous character in the show, so I don't see how it's a mark against the show for it to make her a little more three-dimensional while still keeping her a villain. Even with many of her most villainous actions being transferred to Joffrey, she's still done no shortage of evil on her own. We even have clear descriptions of her being an enfant terrible, beating a servant girl so much she (nearly?) lost an eye.

edited 27th Jun '14 6:59:59 PM by WarriorEowyn

"the Cersei that forces Tommen to personally beat servants"

That's not really evil.

That was a common medieval practice that royal kids were forced into by their tutors since they couldn't strike the kids themselves.

Book!Cersei is so ridiculously over the top evil that it really does come off as being sexist, even if that wasn't GRRM's intent. I much prefer TV!Cersei, who is still a horrible person, but actually has depth.

I agree. Why would anyone like book!Cersei over tv!Cersei is beyond me.

edited 27th Jun '14 8:42:20 PM by LogoP

@Irrose How does book Cersei not have depth?

She's one of the deepest PO Vs in my opinion.

Plus unlike the Stannises, the Cerseis are essentially the same character. The differences are minimal.

Although I like both Cerseis.