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Can Jack be knocked unconscious? I haven't seen enough to know.

The series had one thing going for it, Bill Pullman. His speech about becoming angels, i.e. Time Lords, belongs in a story less unsure of itself.

If they actually had Jack's immortality (which the should, but don't), they would heal from anything other than maybe using their energy to power the unsealing of a road way after living over 5 billion years.

October schedule is out.

Can't wait for the "Green Flying Troi" episode.

Well at least I already have something that will be eating up all my time from the 12th onward.

For record, the schedule

• 1-Oct • X-Files: Ghost in the Machine
• 3-Oct • Cowboy Bebop: Honky Tonk Woman
• 5-Oct • Fury
• 8-Oct • Miracle Day 7
• 9-Oct • Miracle Day 8
• 10-Oct • Miracle Day 9
• 11-Oct • Miracle Day 10
• 12-Oct - 18-Oct • Off
• 19-Oct • The Wire
• 22-Oct • X-Files: Aubrey
• 24-Oct • Stand Alone Complex
• 26-Oct • Night Terrors
• 29-Oct • Dr. Who: Battlefield
• 31-Oct • Sam & Max (TV): The Invaders

OMG he's doing the Sam And Max cartoon?????? YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS

Yes he can.

It's actually sort of funny the assumption in the show that Jack is the last mortal because... well, no one knows. In no discernable way does Jack act different than he did before. Jack's immortality always took the form of a healing factor, and a really inconsistent one at that. So one can't just say "He's no longer healing as fast" as proof of anything. Here everyone's like "Jack you're mortal" hrrrm, how do you know he is? Coz he hasn't died ... at all, which is sort of the only thing that would prove he's mortal.

It's actually also funny that Jack doesn't really die in Miracle Day Till the end and that's where his immortality comes back, considering that the rest of Torchwood, Jack died about as regularly as Kenny in Southpark. So when his immortality is gone, that's when Death suddenly gives him a wide berth. Coz in regular Torchwood, 9 episodes without dying is a record streak for Jack.

edited 28th Sep '13 10:01:54 PM by Ghilz

There is a grain of truth to "Night Terrors". A radio DJ did the "stay up past 200 hours" stunt. He got mood disturbances that made him a Jerkass. No "eyes in the dark" or Negative Space Wedgie tho....

edited 28th Sep '13 10:35:14 PM by TairaMai

I was really confused by "The Wire" until I remembered that was also a Deep Space 9 episode.

It's official. This show fucking defies internal logic.

edited 29th Sep '13 12:59:56 AM by johnnyfog

To be fair. So does Doctor Who often.

You can defy internal logic and come out good the other side. Torchwood... Didn't.

Torchwood's flaws aren't in the internal logic department (Only). It's on basic tone levels. On one hand it wants to be the X-Files meet MIB. On the other, it has a fascination on its character's love lives and sex live like the weakest Beverly Hill 90210 rip off. The show. especially in its first season, has an almost teenager-like obsession with "Our characters have SEX!!!!!" Add that 90% of the cast is bland or outright hateful^note The show introduces a character as a date rapist. Then uses this as a platform for character development "Yeah, he was a date rapist, but then he learned to be a better person!" (Gwen Cooper, which is the main character for most of show (And not Jack... Yeah, not a good move) is a particularly bland lead. I get she was supposed to be the POV character and the fish out of water... But yeah, She's fucking boring).

edited 29th Sep '13 10:37:36 AM by Ghilz

What Voy review are best to show Janeway flaws?

flaws?

Alliances is a good one of Early Insane Janeway... seriously how does Janeway get out of that room alive when she makes it clear that she'd kill everybody and burn the ship then let the Kazon have one scrap of their tech.

I don't really view Janeway as a flawed character. It was more to do with the gap between her deeds, which were pragmatic given the circumstances, and her words which are from another show entirely — an 80's sitcom perhaps.

Janeway? Go to any Voyager review and watch. The best is "Resolutions" IMO, it shows her as the Mary Sue Jeri Taylor wants her to be.

I want specifics episodes about crazy Janeway to show it to someone else who wonder why Janeway have such reputation.

And I'm familiar with Voyager to remember most of episode titles.

The one where she willingly gets assimilated to destroy a Cube.

Heh, I was there when it aired. We had all turned off our brains by that point.

I think to get the worst of Janeway you have to watch multiple episodes. She crosses lines in some episodes while in others she takes absolutely no action on principle; even though she's confronted with the same ethical issue. There's no devolpment in the character to justify this, so the inconsitency often makes her look callous.

That said most of the crew act despicably in Tuvix.

Janeway is either completely flawed and unfit for command -and only has it cause she can suck a photon torpedo through a garden hose-

Horribly , "obviously she slept her way to the top" allusion out of the way

The easier truth is, the writers could never decide how they wanted her character to be perceived, The crew flip flops from being totally subservient to Janeway -Tuvix- to at times you can tell the only thing keeping them from killing her is they don't want blood on the interior.

and as pointed out her morals -or lack of all together- are basically as the plot demands them to be.

edited 1st Oct '13 8:29:31 AM by FrozenWolf2

As was pointed out by Sf Debris himself:

• Picard & Sisko were written as The Captain, not the french captain or the black captain, but the boss.

• Janeway was a victim of PC and Viewers Are Morons by the writers.

Sure there was the element of "We can't show her as weak" but there was also the idea that any flaw would somehow lead viewers to say "Oh it's because she's a woman..." So they put Janeway in a box just as bad as the "Roddenberry Box".

I heard somewhere that career military men don't like Star Trek because the chain of command doesn't make sense; Sisko is considered the closest thing to a real life military commander.

As a soldier myself I can tell you that not having enlisted ranks makes no sense. Who will turn wrenches and mop up the mess? Not an officer. Pilots don't make good mechanics, systems integration is usually done by the lower enlisted, officers just plan.

Starfleet does have NCOs, but O'Brien is the only one we ever see for some reason.

edited 1st Oct '13 3:57:28 PM by BornIn1142

Gene wanted all characters to be officers so there were no NCO's. O'Brian was a clumsy retcon on the part of the writers.

Via his Twitter, apparently Chuck's doing returning to MLP some time in Nov/Dec. I would presume the Return of Harmony two parter with Discord, but we'll see.

That is the most likely one. Though A Canterlot Wedding would also be a good one. But yeah, an MLP two parter, where the villain is a seemingly omnipotent, chaotic, reality warping, trickster god, voiced by John De Lancie. How could he not?