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 1751 johnnyfog, Fri, 27th Sep '13 6:34:33 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Mornin'.
Can Jack be knocked unconscious? I haven't seen enough to know.

The series had one thing going for it, Bill Pullman. His speech about becoming angels, i.e. Time Lords, belongs in a story less unsure of itself.
What I lacks in brains I make for in…um…I make up for in…in…um…gummy bears. Yeah, that's the ticket.
[up]If they actually had Jack's immortality (which the should, but don't), they would heal from anything other than maybe using their energy to power the unsealing of a road way after living over 5 billion years.
 
 1753 lrrose, Sat, 28th Sep '13 8:37:14 PM Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
October schedule is out.

Can't wait for the "Green Flying Troi" episode.

Well at least I already have something that will be eating up all my time from the 12th onward.
 
 1755 Ghilz, Sat, 28th Sep '13 9:52:24 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Fight It Out!
For record, the schedule

  • 1-Oct • X-Files: Ghost in the Machine
  • 3-Oct • Cowboy Bebop: Honky Tonk Woman
  • 5-Oct • Fury
  • 8-Oct • Miracle Day 7
  • 9-Oct • Miracle Day 8
  • 10-Oct • Miracle Day 9
  • 11-Oct • Miracle Day 10
  • 12-Oct - 18-Oct • Off
  • 19-Oct • The Wire
  • 22-Oct • X-Files: Aubrey
  • 24-Oct • Stand Alone Complex
  • 26-Oct • Night Terrors
  • 29-Oct • Dr. Who: Battlefield
  • 31-Oct • Sam & Max (TV): The Invaders

OMG he's doing the Sam & Max cartoon?????? YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS

Can Jack be knocked unconscious? I haven't seen enough to know.

Yes he can.

It's actually sort of funny the assumption in the show that Jack is the last mortal because... well, no one knows. In no discernable way does Jack act different than he did before. Jack's immortality always took the form of a healing factor, and a really inconsistent one at that. So one can't just say "He's no longer healing as fast" as proof of anything. Here everyone's like "Jack you're mortal" hrrrm, how do you know he is? Coz he hasn't died ... at all, which is sort of the only thing that would prove he's mortal.

It's actually also funny that Jack doesn't really die in Miracle Day Till the end and that's where his immortality comes back, considering that the rest of Torchwood, Jack died about as regularly as Kenny in Southpark. So when his immortality is gone, that's when Death suddenly gives him a wide berth. Coz in regular Torchwood, 9 episodes without dying is a record streak for Jack.

edited 28th Sep '13 10:01:54 PM by Ghilz

 1756 Taira Mai, Sat, 28th Sep '13 10:31:20 PM from El Paso Tx Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
rollin' on dubs
There is a grain of truth to "Night Terrors". A radio DJ did the "stay up past 200 hours" stunt. He got mood disturbances that made him a Jerk Ass. No "eyes in the dark" or Negative Space Wedgie tho....

edited 28th Sep '13 10:35:14 PM by TairaMai

 1757 Born In 1142, Sun, 29th Sep '13 12:19:42 AM from Estonia Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
I was really confused by "The Wire" until I remembered that was also a Deep Space 9 episode.

 1758 johnnyfog, Sun, 29th Sep '13 12:59:44 AM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Mornin'.
[up][up][up] It's official. This show fucking defies internal logic.

edited 29th Sep '13 12:59:56 AM by johnnyfog

What I lacks in brains I make for in…um…I make up for in…in…um…gummy bears. Yeah, that's the ticket.
 1759 Ghilz, Sun, 29th Sep '13 10:33:45 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Fight It Out!
[up]To be fair. So does Doctor Who often.

You can defy internal logic and come out good the other side. Torchwood... Didn't.

Torchwood's flaws aren't in the internal logic department (Only). It's on basic tone levels. On one hand it wants to be the X-Files meet MIB. On the other, it has a fascination on its character's love lives and sex live like the weakest Beverly Hill 90210 rip off. The show. especially in its first season, has an almost teenager-like obsession with "Our characters have SEX!!!!!" Add that 90% of the cast is bland or outright hatefulnote  (Gwen Cooper, which is the main character for most of show (And not Jack... Yeah, not a good move) is a particularly bland lead. I get she was supposed to be the POV character and the fish out of water... But yeah, She's fucking boring).

edited 29th Sep '13 10:37:36 AM by Ghilz

 1760 Death Cloud, Mon, 30th Sep '13 10:05:02 AM from Horsehead Nebula Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Everfree Cloud
What Voy review are best to show Janeway flaws?
Because he know I'm going to go out in this plane and I'm going to remove one of His creations from His universe.
 1761 Frozen Wolf 2, Mon, 30th Sep '13 10:34:06 AM from The land where no shadows fall Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Arch-Shaper
flaws?

Alliances is a good one of Early Insane Janeway... seriously how does Janeway get out of that room alive when she makes it clear that she'd kill everybody and burn the ship then let the Kazon have one scrap of their tech.
We can't change death. But We can change what life is
 1762 johnnyfog, Mon, 30th Sep '13 10:45:44 AM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Mornin'.
I don't really view Janeway as a flawed character. It was more to do with the gap between her deeds, which were pragmatic given the circumstances, and her words which are from another show entirely — an 80's sitcom perhaps.
What I lacks in brains I make for in…um…I make up for in…in…um…gummy bears. Yeah, that's the ticket.
 1763 Taira Mai, Mon, 30th Sep '13 11:00:31 AM from El Paso Tx Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
rollin' on dubs
Janeway? Go to any Voyager review and watch. The best is "Resolutions" IMO, it shows her as the Mary Sue Jeri Taylor wants her to be.
 1764 Death Cloud, Mon, 30th Sep '13 12:56:40 PM from Horsehead Nebula Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Everfree Cloud
I want specifics episodes about crazy Janeway to show it to someone else who wonder why Janeway have such reputation.

And I'm familiar with Voyager to remember most of episode titles.
Because he know I'm going to go out in this plane and I'm going to remove one of His creations from His universe.
 1765 maxwellelvis, Mon, 30th Sep '13 3:33:34 PM from undisclosed location Relationship Status: In my bunk
Mad Scientist Wannabe
The one where she willingly gets assimilated to destroy a Cube.
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
 1766 johnnyfog, Mon, 30th Sep '13 3:36:16 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Mornin'.
Heh, I was there when it aired. We had all turned off our brains by that point.

What I lacks in brains I make for in…um…I make up for in…in…um…gummy bears. Yeah, that's the ticket.
 1767 C0mraid, Tue, 1st Oct '13 7:16:40 AM from Here and there
I think to get the worst of Janeway you have to watch multiple episodes. She crosses lines in some episodes while in others she takes absolutely no action on principle; even though she's confronted with the same ethical issue. There's no devolpment in the character to justify this, so the inconsitency often makes her look callous.

That said most of the crew act despicably in Tuvix.
Main computer down.
 1768 Frozen Wolf 2, Tue, 1st Oct '13 8:29:09 AM from The land where no shadows fall Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Arch-Shaper
Janeway is either completely flawed and unfit for command -and only has it cause she can suck a photon torpedo through a garden hose-

Horribly , "obviously she slept her way to the top" allusion out of the way

The easier truth is, the writers could never decide how they wanted her character to be perceived, The crew flip flops from being totally subservient to Janeway -Tuvix- to at times you can tell the only thing keeping them from killing her is they don't want blood on the interior.

and as pointed out her morals -or lack of all together- are basically as the plot demands them to be.

edited 1st Oct '13 8:29:31 AM by FrozenWolf2

We can't change death. But We can change what life is
 1769 Taira Mai, Tue, 1st Oct '13 10:44:26 AM from El Paso Tx Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
rollin' on dubs
As was pointed out by Sf Debris himself:

  • Picard & Sisko were written as The Captain, not the french captain or the black captain, but the boss.

  • Janeway was a victim of PC and Viewers Are Morons by the writers.

Sure there was the element of "We can't show her as weak" but there was also the idea that any flaw would somehow lead viewers to say "Oh it's because she's a woman..." So they put Janeway in a box just as bad as the "Roddenberry Box".
 1770 johnnyfog, Tue, 1st Oct '13 2:40:12 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Mornin'.
I heard somewhere that career military men don't like Star Trek because the chain of command doesn't make sense; Sisko is considered the closest thing to a real life military commander.
What I lacks in brains I make for in…um…I make up for in…in…um…gummy bears. Yeah, that's the ticket.
 1771 Taira Mai, Tue, 1st Oct '13 3:43:04 PM from El Paso Tx Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
rollin' on dubs
As a soldier myself I can tell you that not having enlisted ranks makes no sense. Who will turn wrenches and mop up the mess? Not an officer. Pilots don't make good mechanics, systems integration is usually done by the lower enlisted, officers just plan.
 1772 Born In 1142, Tue, 1st Oct '13 3:57:15 PM from Estonia Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Starfleet does have NCOs, but O'Brien is the only one we ever see for some reason.

edited 1st Oct '13 3:57:28 PM by BornIn1142

 1773 Taira Mai, Tue, 1st Oct '13 6:43:16 PM from El Paso Tx Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
rollin' on dubs
Gene wanted all characters to be officers so there were no NCO's. O'Brian was a clumsy retcon on the part of the writers.
 1774 Borne Again, Wed, 2nd Oct '13 1:14:40 PM from Last House on the Right
Trope on a Rope
Via his Twitter, apparently Chuck's doing returning to MLP some time in Nov/Dec. I would presume the Return of Harmony two parter with Discord, but we'll see.
Still waiting for a Legion of Losers movie...
 1775 Seraphem, Wed, 2nd Oct '13 2:01:31 PM from Delamare Relationship Status: Brony
An Introverted Pony
That is the most likely one. Though A Canterlot Wedding would also be a good one. But yeah, an MLP two parter, where the villain is a seemingly omnipotent, chaotic, reality warping, trickster god, voiced by John De Lancie. How could he not?
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