Warhammer 40,000

FINALLY. SOME TAU LOVE.

Manly Tears

Got the WD today, but haven't read it all yet. One guy at the hobby centre confirmed the "sergeants are now cowards" rule, but added that you can still hit when not on the first row. Also, I haven't checked, but since it's becoming more like Battle there is probably a chance that the game also adds a "look out, sir!" rule to compensate, isn't there?

Also, I preordered a "Player's Edition" and all accessories.

edited 23rd Jun '12 11:42:40 AM by Medinoc

Cowardly sergeants, as in sergeants are the same LD as everyone else?

But that makes the one useful role sergeants had null and avoid and basically relegates them to being powerfist-holders in every possibly army that can use sergeants.

No, cowardly sergeants as in "try not to get too close to the front".

Oh, right.

They should give Sergeants and other such commanding officer-type units some sort of special rule that compensates for the new "front row gets hit first" rules.

Just had a great game (fifth edition rules) against an old friend of mine. 1000pts Orks vs Tau; ended in a draw, because neither of us had any Troops units left to hold objectives.

High points included the Tau shooting my brawler units with sluggas and choppas to pieces despite the kustom force field, my Nobz buzzsawing through most of the Tau army (to the point where if the random game length had ended it one turn earlier I would have won because I had one crippled troops unit on one of the four points and he had none), and my tank-hunting Nob from a Warbike unit trying and valiantly failing to destroy a Hammerhead, merely settling for pulling its gun off and crippling its thrusters before getting bored and scragging some hapless stealthsuits and Crisis suits instead. It was also quite fun watching an entire unit worth of pulse rifle fire bouncing off the turbo-boosting Bikers

edited 23rd Jun '12 10:03:53 PM by CountDorku

which is probably my least favorite thing about the game set up currently, we have assloads of long range, decently accurate firepower that doesn't seem to do shit.

or maybe I just suck.

I suspect it's somewhere in the middle of the two. -_-

Well, T5, fast movement and a 3+ cover save is exactly the kind of thing the Tau aren't good at dealing with.

That's why I'm hoping for a "look out, sir!" equivalent. Of course, that would protect sergeants but not special weapons.

Pretty sure that's in for squad leaders and I Cs (or maybe just I Cs)

edited 24th Jun '12 6:02:25 AM by Hellbore

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After reading WD up to page 83, here are my impressions:

• This edition seems to buff dakka and nerf melee: rapid-fire weapons can now use their single max-range shot after moving, and you can now shoot at BS 1 at enemies assaulting you.
• Edit: Also, when one squad assaults multiple enemies, it loses its +1 Attack bonus. While this may help solve the "it's safer to assault multiple enemies so you're still locked in combat during the enemy's turn" problem, I think it's equalizing in the wrong direction.
• Pages 66 and 83 confirm the presence of "look out, sir!" or however it's called in English. However, it's a puny 4+ for sergeants (apparently ICs get a better deal).

edited 25th Jun '12 2:51:30 AM by Medinoc

oh hell yes. that full range shot after movement will help so much.

for a race fluffed as "move and shoot" Tau had a lot of drawbacks if you moved, like... not being able to shoot at anything that wasn't going to assault you next turn and wipe you out pretty much immediately.

Warhammer 40k: Dakka Edition?

Also, I can imagine that orks are going to benefit from the "shoot at the enemy at BS 1 when they charge" the most, considering they have BS 2 already and can pump out ridiculous amounts of shots.

Also, from 3++:

A few more interesting tidbits:

So impact hits are in.

So no spamming Basilisks galore.

I need to buy more Death Company.

edited 25th Jun '12 6:06:56 AM by math792d

That belongs more on the All-Purpose Warhammer 40,000 Fanfiction Thread.

I guess shootas will become much more popular than sluggas&choppas if assaulting the enemy becomes that dangerous. But even then, the fact their shootas are 18" Assault 2 is turning against them: They can't move and shoot at 24", enemies now can.

On the bright side, warbikers still rule and trukks have gained a bit more resilience, so I guess it's still possible to assault; only, more with small mechanized troops than with blobs.

As a Tau player, I love the allies system, but I'm sure the Kroot are sad to see their positions outsourced to Assault Marines. Or Howling Banshees. Still not sure whether I'm going to Run Tau/Marines or Tau/Eldar.

Also, does anyone else know what the differences between the three types of allies will be ruleswise?

run tau with assault marine troop choices.

Space Marines with Eldar entourage. Delicious Farseer cheese.

Dark Eldar and Eldar. Since they're close allies, their I Cs can join eachother's units, cast psychic powers on eachother and presumably board eachother's transports. Fire Dragons riding in a Venom? Archons with fortune and shadowfield? (Althought his one is a bit iffy as fortune rules say "target one friendly Eldar unit", and it can be arqued that Dark Eldar technically aren't Eldar).

Seventy-five bucks for the core rulebook?

Is there any way to negate this? Frag grenades, banshee masks, anything?

Yeah, you can only take a three-Basilisk ordinance battery.

Gue'vesa Auxiliaries chosen from the Guard codex? Just as meat-shieldy as the Kroot, but with better guns. Shame you won't be able to give them pulse weapons - maybe the next codex will finally acknowledge the human turncoats' existence.

This is really my biggest concern about the alliance system - it's a Munchkin's wet dream. Mix and match units for maximum effectiveness and negate your core army's weaknesses. If I still played I'd been worried about what extra-codex units I'd have to bring with my Orks to stay competitive. Some Eldar heavy support choices? Maybe some Guardsmen?

Speaking of alliances, from the GW blog:

I have to stop and clean my computer screen at this point because I'm spitting with rage.

Well done. You've re-written the core rules to recreate what Codex: Daemonhunters successfully achieved nine years ago, while removing the daemon-hunting narrative such an alliance used to entail. Now it's just a Chamber Militant showing up to help some schmuck Guardsmen fight off Ork raiders or whatever. Clearly a job for the Ordo Malleus.

edited 25th Jun '12 11:03:09 AM by Tacitus

@Tacitus:"Imagine if we didn't remove one of the major components of a well loved army and given it a shitty codex of it's own. Isn't it magical?"

Also, we can't acknowledge the Gue'Vesa, because that would mean that the Imperium isn't TEH BESTZORS

To be honest, CSM and Daemons should be able to be wielded in the same army. I liked it better when there was one Chaos dex that containe dboth CSM and Daemons, tho.