Warhammer 40,000

No. According to the Horus Heresy novels he's always been a Perpetual. He's never taken a big role, but he's been everywhere, as apparently, he was one of the frigging Argonauts

No-'Oll Persson' was the oldest living human at the time of the Horus Heresy-like, 45,000 years and counting. He was already north of 7,000 when the Emperor was born, making him literally older than recorded human history. He meets his Final Death at the hands of Horus, an event he foresaw and accepted, becoming a Saint after embracing martyrdom to give humanity a chance at survival.

So, broadstrokes, Dan Abnett restored the original story, with a twist.

edited 21st Feb '18 8:14:17 PM by ViperMagnum357

I'd love to see him on the Tabletop as a Living Saint with some gnarly IG buffs.

Does he have rules for Horus Heresy?

Nope. Can't have NP Cs getting in the way of Marines: the game.

But for real I'm prettt sure he's lore-only. And the whole point is that he's just one dude (immortal or not), not exactly exciting to stat him in HH.

Dunno-they have statted a lot of weird characters in 30K, and the actual Imperial army has, like, no actual special characters. And when he shows up in the HH books, Persson has a huge amount of esoteric knowledge he puts to good use, and survives up to the end of the Heresy moving from battlefield to battlefield without protection or authority. TT-wise, he gets his hands on one of the Athames, so that could be interesting to stat out.

What about Aevos Jovan?

Anyway, I put a question partially about using the X++ term to reference invulnerable saves in examples on pages and those who responded to it agreed with me that these probably do violate the Simplify For Non Fans rule on the How to Write an Example page so I will be editing these out when I see them if nobody has any objections.

It is not like there are zero special characters, but obviously most of them are Astartes.

And no objections-that is shorthand specific to GW games, and I am not aware of its usage in that context elsewhere.

Hell I have never seen that shorthand anywhere other than here (and 1d4chan on those few occasions I have been there), I have never seen Games Workshop use it.

edited 22nd Feb '18 8:55:55 AM by SebastianGray

My FLGS uses it pretty often.

I feel like one of my battlescribe entries used it, but I couldn't find it at a glance.

Way back at my local store when I first started playing, I got into the habit of ++ because some people there used it, specifically one guy who used 3rd edition Harlequins and had to differentiate between Cover saves and jetbike armor, or the Dark Eldar player who loved his mandrakes. Not specific to Invulnerable, but most of us got into the habit of using +/++ to differentiate saves, since that was how it was written in some older codexes.

edited 22nd Feb '18 9:02:02 AM by ViperMagnum357

Confused. Really because I have almost every Codex printed and cannot remember seeing it.

Harlequins, off the top of my head. No armor saves apart from jetbikes, but all covers saves-so the saves were ' - ', apart from the bikes that were written as ' - /3+ ' which is where we first got it from; we put the cover save then armor so we did not forget. Eventually, the Dark Eldar player did the same to differentiate the saves on his Mandrakes and Archon, and I think I first got the idea myself from the Armageddon Codex, since I played Black Templars; in there, the Speed Freak Ork list used 6+/5+ for armor/cover on the new bikers.

edited 22nd Feb '18 9:29:10 AM by ViperMagnum357

Harlequins didn't get a codex until 7th Edition and they didn't have Jetbikes in an official list after 1st Edition until 7th.

Codex: Armageddon does have Saze/Invun Save but uses a single + not ++

I once had to explain to a friend that when Battlescribe used X++ it did not mean "X+ but with a reroll".

Harlequins had a 3rd ed codex written by Gav Thorpe, released for free as a legal tournament list, albeit requiring Organizer approval outside official GW events. You should be able to dig up a PDF copy with a few minutes of searching online.

And the ++ was informal at out local store-we used it as shorthand when writing lists to differentiate saves, usually from wargear-there were relatively few models with multiple saves as default when I started playing.

edited 22nd Feb '18 1:50:07 PM by ViperMagnum357

Ah right, was that the semi-official Harlequin list from Citadel Journal I seem to remember?

Yeah-they released it in Citadel journal, and handed out print copies at a few GW events, which is where my friend got his. Because it was actually a Beta release, they never quite finished tweaking the list, and without a hard copy codex it was reduced to organizer fiat at private events, similar to some Chapter approved stuff. However, because it was still an official army, it was accepted at official GW events.

Actually, most of the Harlequin rules that were eventually folded into the later Eldar codexes were direct ports from the list, with one major change-giving them an actual save, instead of cover only. Initiative 6-8 plus defended obstacle only goes so far when you have T3, no save, and most of your models have 1 wound.

Cool. The GW events I went to during 3rd only allowed Codices officially released in stores, even Forge World stuff was banned at the time (I think it was around 6th that they started allowing them), due to them feeling it was unfair to those who didn't have access to units and lists printed in Dwarf /Journal/etc. that may have been out of print.

edited 23rd Feb '18 7:57:39 AM by SebastianGray

Yeah, I had a friend who was a Guard player who was rather miffed that he almost never got to use his Shadowsword. Otherwise, my group was never that interested in WD material.

Speaking of Guard, I finished The Warmaster a couple days ago, after my copy finally came in. Honestly, I am unsure what to think of it-there was a lot I liked, but a couple of things I think should have been expanded-at once, it felt like the best and worst 3/4 of a larger book, that was the first of a duology that should have been released simultaneously. Anyone read it?

So, thanks to Krautscientist's The 2017 Eternal Hunt Awards, pt. 2: The Hobbyists, I found Daouide’s conversions on Le blog dé Kouzes. What stuck me most was his Emperor's Children Obliterators, made from a combination of Hellbrute and Centurion parts.

.... I think I found the inspiration for my World Eaters' Obliterators.

Those are by far the best conversions of the Centurion kit that I've seen.

Got a Start Collecting Tau for a birthday present! Noice.

Congrats! And happy birthday!

Happy birthday, and congrats!

Indeed they are. I'm totally stealing that idea for my Obliterators now